Why did Tupac hate Nas?

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Pac went to highschool with a bunch of hipster cacs and "artistically open" negroes.


You think nikkas is getting their twinkle toes on in the hood ?


Pac moved to Cali AFTER.

Pac grew up in Harlem, moved to Baltimore, then moved to Oakland. That's like the worst punishment you can give a nikka growing up :wow:

The high school Pac went to in Baltimore was the school the "Step Up" movies were based off. Alot of rappers went to magnet schools. Outkast being one. It doesn't mean anything. Cool.....Pac learned about Greek Literature for the day. He still went home to a house that looked like one of those vacants off the Wire afterwards :birdman:

Dont get me wrong. Pac rapped about his life. But his "Thug Life" sthickt he had going on in his later years was complete bullshyt. How you rapping bout Thug shyt, when in the years of most youngins being a thug, he was doing Shakespear. He is a classic example of a p*ssy nikka growing up, who wilds out in his early adulthood to cover his "less than favorable upbringing"




Deal with it :shaq:


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Honestly bruh....that's what made Pac real to people. He accepted his L's, when other rappers try to hide theirs, and that's what made him so relatable to the masses. Dude basically said he sucked at selling drugs, was so broke he was sleeping on floors, was a lame simp growing up & that his moms was such a crackhead whore she couldn't figure out Pac's real father for years :huhldup:

If you don't consider that being open & real, then :wow:

Also, I dont think Pac was a gangsta. Haitian Jack is a gangsta. Wayne Perry was a gangsta. Pac was just a prideful kid who was taught to never back down from nobody & it caught up with him. It didnt help he was going through all that drama (shooting, rape case) when he was 22, 23. He was the age of a college senior basically. Remember that :wow: Common sense would tell any dude who wasnt built for the street shyt to not fukk with known killers. Common sense would tell any dude to just chalk up the L Henchman & Haitian Jack gave him & move on. Pac couldn't swallow his pride though :deadrose:

Call him naive. Can't call him a bytch though. He may have lost but, that nikka never backed down from anyone bruh :yeshrug:
 
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Pac grew up in Harlem, moved to Baltimore, then moved to Oakland. That's like the worst punishment you can give a nikka growing up :wow:

The high school Pac went to in Baltimore was the school the "Step Up" movies were based off. Alot of rappers went to magnet schools. Outkast being one. It doesn't mean anything. Cool.....Pac learned about Greek Literature for the day. He still went home to a house that looked like one of those vacants off the Wire afterwards :birdman:



Honestly bruh....that's what made Pac real to people. He accepted his L's, when other rappers try to hide theirs, and that's what made him so relatable to the masses. Dude basically said he sucked at selling drugs, was so broke he was sleeping on floors, was a lame simp growing up & that his moms was such a crackhead whore she couldn't figure out Pac's real father for years :huhldup:

If you don't consider that being open & real, then :wow:

Also, I dont think Pac was a gangsta. Haitian Jack is a gangsta. Wayne Perry was a gangsta. Pac was just a prideful kid who was taught to never back down from nobody & it caught up with him. It didnt help he was going through all that drama (shooting, rape case) when he was 22, 23. He was the age of a college senior basically. Remember that :wow: Common sense would tell any dude who wasnt built for the street shyt to not fukk with known killers. Common sense would tell any dude to just chalk up the L Henchman & Haitian Jack gave him & move on. Pac couldn't swallow his pride though :deadrose:

Call him naive. Can't call him a bytch though. He may have lost but, that nikka never backed down from anyone bruh :yeshrug:



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Pac grew up in Harlem, moved to Baltimore, then moved to Oakland. That's like the worst punishment you can give a nikka growing up :wow:

The high school Pac went to in Baltimore was the school the "Step Up" movies were based off. Alot of rappers went to magnet schools. Outkast being one. It doesn't mean anything. Cool.....Pac learned about Greek Literature for the day. He still went home to a house that looked like one of those vacants off the Wire afterwards :birdman:



Honestly bruh....that's what made Pac real to people. He accepted his L's, when other rappers try to hide theirs, and that's what made him so relatable to the masses. Dude basically said he sucked at selling drugs, was s

o broke he was sleeping on floors, was a lame simp growing up & that his moms was such a crackhead whore she couldn't figure out Pac's real father for years :huhldup:

If you don't consider that being open & real, then :wow:

Also, I dont think Pac was a gangsta. Haitian Jack is a gangsta. Wayne Perry was a gangsta. Pac was just a prideful kid who was taught to never back down from nobody & it caught up with him. It didnt help he was going through all that drama (shooting, rape case) when he was 22, 23. He was the age of a college senior basically. Remember that :wow: Common sense would tell any dude who wasnt built for the street shyt to not fukk with known killers. Common sense would tell any dude to just chalk up the L Henchman & Haitian Jack gave him & move on. Pac couldn't swallow his pride though :

Call him naive. Can't call him a bytch though. He may have lost but, that nikka never backed down from anyone bruh :yeshrug:

Pac was a naive kid fukking around in an environment that he didn't understand. Whether it was talking shyt to career criminals like Henchmen or stomping out a well known gangbanger in Vegas.

He had a lot of heart though. No common sense, but a lot of heart.
 

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Pac was a naive kid fukking around in an environment that he didn't understand. Whether it was talking shyt to career criminals like Henchmen or stomping out a well known gangbanger in Vegas.

He had a lot of heart though. No common sense, but a lot of heart.

That's all I'm saying :yeshrug:
 

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It's so embarrassing to see how little people who claim to love hip hop know about 2pac in general and his influence on Nas in particular. As has been mentioned, the fact that they squashed their beef makes this entire thread even more pathetic.

You can tell that every single 2pac hater in this thread was born after 1990 and doesn't know anything about who he was or what his influence was on the entire genre. They continue to propagate disinformation to defend Nas who would most likely be disgusted with their lack of knowledge on probably the culture's biggest icon.

Almost all of the 'arguments' brought forth by the Pac haters are completely pointless because they are factually incorrect.

In this thread they have repeatedly tried to base their arguments on ridiculous lingering myths that show that they know nothing of the history which they are trying to speak on:

Myth 1: Pac dissed Nas only because Nas used the words 'fake thug' on The Message:


Pac told u why he had beef with nas in song and in interviews
Not once did he say it had anything to do with dre, nas is coming, or beats

Pac had a problem with da message and da message only
Which wasnt even about him

Pac has said on several occasions that he dissed Nas for rhyming about fantasies that were inspired by Pac's life and for jacking his style by all of a sudden starting to rap about being a thug and other cats being fake thugs. He mentions the whole album: 'He knew his album said all the sh*t!"

Try to find any verse in the history of rap (outside of Pac's verses) that comes even close to describing Pac's situation after the '94 shooting as closely as the second verse of The Message. Then think about when The Message dropped. Then think about the infatuation that Nas clearly showed with Pac's lifestyle by completely changing up his content from Illmatic to It Was Written (and don't think this was all OB4CL influence). Count the number of times Nas mentions the word 'thug' on Illmatic and look at the way he uses it on there. Then realize that Illmatic was written before Thug Life dropped. Then count the number of times the word 'thug' or a variation of it is used on It Was Written and the way it is used. Then realize that IWW was mostly written after Thug Life, Me Against The World and All Eyez On Me dropped. Then consider the sh*t talking with Dre about the East/West beef on IWW. Then consider the Black Girl Lost track. THEN consider Nas knew all of this was on his album when Pac told him the DR/Bad Boy beef had nothing to do with him and that he had love for him, and that Nas just nodded and pretended not to have an opinion on it.

People who listen to Nas now have no idea how big of an influence Pac was on the content of every Nas album after Illmatic. His entire style has drawn heavily on 2pac's. Just count the number of times Nas has talked about thugs after Illmatic throughout his entire career and realize all of it is inspired by 2pac.

Myth 2: Snoop was the only person who claimed that Pac 'punked' Nas in NY:


smh @ you believing Snoop's ducktales story which changes everytime the moon turns when Nas, Suge and the Outlawz all said the same thing

In reality, Suge's version agrees with Snoop's original version and Snoop, as has been mentioned, only later reflected on how he thought Nas handled the situation well too because he had more people there and he didn't try to stir them up to try anything. The Outlawz never refuted Snoop or Suge's version either. They only gave less details because they have a lot of love and respect for Nas and don't feel like slighting him after the beef has already been squashed.


There's plenty more gaps in people's general knowledge on 2pac's history, including his upbringing and the story around the Atlanta shooting. But even more worrying is that a lot of people don't seem to have the basic skills to think critically about things that happened in the past and the way in which they have shaped the present. It's the ultimate irony and tragedy that the very people 2pac struggled to uplift are the ones who are criticizing a shell of his life that never even existed.

The irony of people on the internet claiming Pac didn't have a tough upbringing and didn't grow up in the ghetto.. :snoop:

There's so much more wrong with the whole concept of this thread but I'm afraid that sh*t is OB4CL and the rest just lack the ability to interpret information correctly and gain understanding of a wonderfully sad story..(yes I'm cocky)
 

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Oh hell naw I know this fakkits aint talking about "ANYBODY CAN SHOOT !!" "HE DIDDIN'T KNOW THEY WERE COPS !!" . Yall delusional I swear, pac actually buss his guns n yall talking bout "so....that don't make you tough" lmao

It don't

Its nikkas in the hood who bust guns everyday.Are they tough? Should they be respected?

Only dumb ass nikkas glorify this stupid shyt.Pac shootin 2 whites for harassing a nikka was dumb If his dumb ass got convicted he'd woulda been another nikka in jail
 

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It don't

Its nikkas in the hood who bust guns everyday.Are they tough? Should they be respected?

Only dumb ass nikkas glorify this stupid shyt.Pac shootin 2 whites for harassing a nikka was dumb If his dumb ass got convicted he'd woulda been another nikka in jail

Ladies and gentleman, these are the type dudes i'm arguing against :heh:

Pac the fake/ballerina/media image/ thug life aint real/ confused dude shoots 2 racist white officers for abusing an innocent black man is not tough or should be respected at all.

I gotcha ya. It don't even matter to me anyway because no matter what you or i say 2pac shakur will remain the most iconic/greatest rapper by the world after this thread has died :lolbron:
 

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That's the way I see.If anything, Nas looked up to Pac.


Nas is one of those Afrocentric type of dudes.


Pac was that.He was born into the movement.Alll the people Nas read about like Assata Shakur...Geronimo Prat....Lumumba Shakur....Afeni etc etc...


Pac was raised and schooled by them.



That was Pac through and through.His mother was fighting for her life while she was pregnant with Pac.Facing 300 years in prison, she beat the case WITHOUT HAVING ANY LAW EXPERIENCE.She was held in the highest regard within the Black Panther Movement....The The Briar Patch:The Trial Of The Panther 21.


Nas is all on that revolutionary kick.He's a great lyricist, arguably the best of all time, but he didn't have the boldness or the "fire" that Pac had.Pac was the embodiment of that revolutionary shyt.He went through it....didn't have to read it in a book in order to be able to talk about it.



I think that's what Pac meant by the " this lil nikka think he live like me" line


I definitely think there was a mutual admiration there, but I'd be willing to bet that Nas respected Pac more than Pac respected Nas
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Who gives a fukk about being iconic AFTER you die? Lmao that nikka aint gettin no benefits from that

Nas and jay are living legends

Pac had to die to be called the Goat and he cant see neither of them or big,or rakim,or LL,or krs or cube or G rap or ghostface or several other mc's lyrically
 

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*Remembers when tupac was a regular ass rapper who hardly anyone outside hip hop heads checked for*

*Also remembers when he was more known for being Bishop than he was for rapping*

Revisionist fans love gassin this dude up,shyts sickening
 

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Who gives a fukk about being iconic AFTER you die? Lmao that nikka aint gettin no benefits from that

Nas and jay are living legends

Pac had to die to be called the Goat and he cant see neither of them or big,or rakim,or LL,or krs or cube or G rap or ghostface or several other mc's lyrically

Keep telling yourself that while pac is the most famous rapper of all time and nas is.......that dude in the niki minaj video :laugh: It burns ya soul that 2pac will go down as the goat no matter what this post, your next post or the post after you from a nas stan tries mustering up.

"Bu bu but nas wrote illmatic"

Most people don't even know you who the fukk he is :mjpls:
 

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It's so embarrassing to see how little people who claim to love hip hop know about 2pac in general and his influence on Nas in particular. As has been mentioned, the fact that they squashed their beef makes this entire thread even more pathetic.

You can tell that every single 2pac hater in this thread was born after 1990 and doesn't know anything about who he was or what his influence was on the entire genre. They continue to propagate disinformation to defend Nas who would most likely be disgusted with their lack of knowledge on probably the culture's biggest icon.

Almost all of the 'arguments' brought forth by the Pac haters are completely pointless because they are factually incorrect.

In this thread they have repeatedly tried to base their arguments on ridiculous lingering myths that show that they know nothing of the history which they are trying to speak on:

Myth 1: Pac dissed Nas only because Nas used the words 'fake thug' on The Message:




Pac has said on several occasions that he dissed Nas for rhyming about fantasies that were inspired by Pac's life and for jacking his style by all of a sudden starting to rap about being a thug and other cats being fake thugs. He mentions the whole album: 'He knew his album said all the sh*t!"

Try to find any verse in the history of rap (outside of Pac's verses) that comes even close to describing Pac's situation after the '94 shooting as closely as the second verse of The Message. Then think about when The Message dropped. Then think about the infatuation that Nas clearly showed with Pac's lifestyle by completely changing up his content from Illmatic to It Was Written (and don't think this was all OB4CL influence). Count the number of times Nas mentions the word 'thug' on Illmatic and look at the way he uses it on there. Then realize that Illmatic was written before Thug Life dropped. Then count the number of times the word 'thug' or a variation of it is usi was raised by these niccaz you was raised by internet explorer:heh:ed on It Was Written and the way it is used. Then realize that IWW was mostly written after Thug Life and Me Against The World, and All Eyez On Me dropped. Then consider the sh*t talking with Dre about the East/West beef on IWW. Then consider the Black Girl Lost track. THEN consider Nas knew all of this was on his album when Pac told him the DR/Bad Boy beef had nothing to do with him and that he had love for him, and that Nas just nodded and pretended not to have an opinion on it.

People who listen to Nas now have no idea how big of an influence Pac was on the content of every Nas album after Illmatic. His entire style has drawn heavily on 2pac's. Just count the number of times Nas has talked about thugs after Illmatic throughout his entire career and realize all of it is inspired by 2pac.

nikka your worst den da other guy
It was written sounds NOTHING like me against da world or all eyez on me or any pac album
I dont no wtf your talking about:heh:
For da last time, pac, nas, and everyone else involved said there beef was because of da message
U can keep tryin to rewrite history with all dis other shyt u tryin to puzzle together but it just aint true
If nas was dissin pac, den he woulda said he was dissin pac
Just like he came out willing and said he was dissin biggie a couple years back.
Nas did not jack pac's style:heh:
I bet u think biggie jacked pacs style too right

nikka have u heard illmatic?
Ny state of mind is a story about street shyt just like the message
Illmatic has mafia shyt all ova it
Nas rappin like dat is nothin neW



Even on against all odds, pac tried to say nas was copyin rakims style

Pac heard one song dat he thought was about him and overeacted


Homie was emotional and paranoid
Dats why there beef got squashed so quickly and easy
It really wasnt about nothin
 
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