Why did Kendrick play it safe with " We hate Po Po" line in Grammy performance?

[DPresidential]

I know you can't be comparing Kendrick Lamar to Malcolm X

I'm comparing him to Malcolm Little really.
The point is...Malcolm is the litmus test. There is nothing wrong comparing anyone purporting to raise awareness on Black issues to the Poster Boy.

He never will be Malcolm. He should strive to be Marvin. The point is... we can nitpick about ALOT. I'm saying, let the man cook...and if in his pseudo-consciousness, he turns heads and souls closer towards Black Consciousness...don't break those people out of the spell...grab them up while they are showing an interest in rebuilding the village.

 

[DPresidential]

Kanye
David banner
Killer mike
Nas
Cyhi
Pusha T

Just to name a few

Kanye is asking Mark Zuckerberg for $1 Bill, living the life he warned us about in his 1st 2 albums and telling Sway that if it ain't Ralph it ain't shyt.

Killer Mike & David Banner are definitely unapologetically Black.

The fact that you can name Kanye but completely write off Kendrick speaks volumes breh. Aight.

 

[HoldThisL]

He made a pro black album for personal gain after the caclemore shyt, it's not genuine at all

Easily the worst post in this thread.

 

[GoldenGlove]

1. What marketing plan? Dude sold less. Got less radio play this time around.
He made white folks uncomfortable, and alotta blks are picking him apart.
Some marketing plan....

2. All those lyrics he spat on his new album, that the kids are reciting. Worked as well.
I Rather have my lil bruh recite king kunta. Than future's "i got the kkk with me"...

Yet it's nothing but cacs at his shows.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Kanye is asking Mark Zuckerberg for $1 Bill, living the life he warned us about in his 1st 2 albums and telling Sway that if it ain't Ralph it ain't shyt.

That's fine. Didn't say you had to agree with him. But you don't see him editing his words and thoughts to make the opposition more comfortable. He says what he feels period.

Killer Mike & David Banner are definitely unapologetically Black.

The fact that you can name Kanye but completely write off Kendrick speaks volumes breh. Aight.

It's about authenticity. As crazy as Kanye is he says what's on his mind.

"Georgebush don't care about black people", was easily more influential/authentic than anything Kendrick has said.

 

[iliketurtles]

Easily the worst post in this thread.

Why kendrick don't talk about politics or needs permission to do specific shyt??

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Kendrick is to "pro-black"
As
Rick Ross is to "gangster"

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

1) he's an entertainer, there's so much black activism we should expect
2) he's engaged to a non-black woman, there's so much pro-black ideologies he could promote
3) if he's not setting up intellectual road black with comments like "bu bu what about black crime" OR "black people gotta do better" OR similar, then he's not as damaging as others are making it seem
4) He's at the grammys, a safe and tolerable place for non-traditional performances, so whether he's saluting the black panthers or the local drug dealer, these performances are not impactful on the social conciouness
5) The real support and thread topics should be for the black folks with checkered past and who gets constant negative media attention while putting in the real work of black activism and promoting pro-black ideologies, but the negative media coverage and their checked past are the reasons why yall don't support them

 

[BOXINGGEMS]

Oh my fukking god yo...



I thought you may have but you didn't specifically, for that I apologize.

But as you can see he's seemingly the standard for the all around super nikka "conscious rapper" and he did the same "what about black on black crime" bit in even more depth and zeal than Kendrick did. I saw a gang of people go on and on about his "black on black crime" comments talking about how they thought he was the one and HE AIN'T 2PAC when the truth is Pac was saying the same shyt.

"IT AIN'T THEM THAT'S KNOCKING US OFF, IT'S US THAT'S KNOCKING US OFF. USE YOUR BRAIN, USE YOUR BRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!"

Also that's a perfectly valid question/argument to make, especially from someone who grew up around gang culture. You making it seem like he said it to appease white folk when the truth is addressing systemic Racism ain't gonna turn back the clock...getting nikkas to stop pulling triggers on each other should take priority over trying to get racists whites to act accordingly. You seem like an intelligent cat but if you think you can reduce him adding that perspective to that song to him trying to stay in good grace rather than have a real conversation with his listeners...I may be overestimating your intelligence.

I don't think it has to be one or the other. Pac was a brilliant brother but I don't agree with blaming the victims of economic warfare. It kind of implies it's an internal issue, something wrong with us...when in reality any people that is deprived of resources and put into a concentrated area will begin to kill one another. There have been numerous experiments done that shows that. It's natural survival tactics. Combine that with the psychological abuse and propaganda waged on us, you get what you see.

Yes.

It's hidden in the lyrics, you wouldn't notice it without reading them, and it seems like he's talking about Zimmerman personally, who I don't think anybody would defend at this point.

Had he said "I'm out Timothy loehmans house......."

Cacs would be furious

Not dodging I didn't see your post until now. We can break it down however you want to.

Lyrics:
I'm the biggest hypocrite of 2015
Once I finish this, witnesses will convey just what I mean
Been feeling this way since I was 16, came to my senses
You never liked us anyway, fukk your friendship, I meant it
I'm African-American, I'm African
I'm black as the moon, heritage of a small village
Pardon my residence
Came from the bottom of mankind
My hair is nappy, my dikk is big, my nose is round and wide
You hate me don't you?
You hate my people, your plan is to terminate my culture
You're fukkin' evil I want you to recognize that I'm a proud monkey
You vandalize my perception but can't take style from me
And this is more than confession
I mean I might press the button just so you know my discretion
I'm guardin' my feelins, I know that you feel it
You sabotage my community, makin' a killin'
You made me a killer, emancipation of a real nikka

He's been as straight forward and overly aggressive in speaking against white supremacy in his music as much as you can ask for. What do y'all want really? I really want to know. Because he's said everything except "I want to kill all white people" and if he said that y'all would back away from him with the quickness. He has said everything you can say that Gaye, Pac and others spoke on. Let's stop playing games with this shyt.

We don't need him to do anything more than make the soundtrack for the times we are living. That's what all great, socially aware artists do. Marvin, Pac, Cooke, etc.

Nothing is ever enough for y'all.

We don't need him or any damn black leader(s) to give us salvation. That's low key what y'all want. Another nikka to hide behind to be the sacrifice when shyt gets real so we don't have to bare the consequences of fighting for black empowerment.

 

[DPresidential]

That's fine. Didn't say you had to agree with him. But you don't see him editing his words and thoughts to make the opposition more comfortable. He says what he feels period.


It's about authenticity. As crazy as Kanye is he says what's on his mind.

"Georgebush don't care about black people", was easily more influential/authentic than anything Kendrick has said.

So you're admitting to playing checkers instead of chess, huh?

It's not as simple as that.

You are essentially deciding to overlook glaring flaws in Kanye's activism yet trying to destroy Kendrick's credibility.

Kendrick never apologized for those lyrics in his song...

Yet, Kanye apologized for his statement about President Bush:

Both men appeared on NBC's Today Show, speaking separately to host Matt Lauer. In an interview recorded on Tuesday (9 November), West expressed regret for saying, during a telethon appearance in 2005, that Bush "doesn't care about black people". "I would tell George Bush, in my moment of frustration, I didn't have the grounds to call him a racist," West said. "But I believe that in a situation of high emotion like that, we as human beings don't always choose the right words. And that's why I'm here."
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Kanye West apologises for calling George Bush a racist

Again, I'm not criticizing Kanye, I'm taking shots at your rule set. How can you explain this since you were concrete enough to claim Kanye is

unapologetically Black?

It's funny because this is a prime example of why you should be concrete and strategic in what you say... you're stuck in a place where you either try to justify Kanye's backtracking on the Bush comment in an attempt to still claim he's un-apologetically Black. Or admitt hat you were wrong about Kanye and admit that it is important to be strategic about what you say and when.

Can you explain, breh?

 

[BOXINGGEMS]

Kanye
David banner
Killer mike
Nas
Cyhi
Pusha T

Just to name a few

Banner - yes...THE most unapologetically black man in the spotlight at the level he is at. I agree. AND doing real shyt in the community.

Killer Mike is shaky. He does some great shyt but sometimes he tap dances. So no. And I still respect him.

Nas - yes

Cyhi - he raps that what about black on black crime shyt so no...he sampled Pastor Manning as well. No, hell no.

Pusha - He's in my top 10...check my avi...and he does say some shyt here and there. But stop it. He ain't no damn activist.

Kanye bruh? Really? The nikka has said some real shyt in the past but he has said some outlandish shyt. We can go as recent as him begging white folks for money on twitter or crying about how white designers won't cosign or fund him. Pro-black in the music? Yes...outside? He shaky too

 

[MeachTheMonster]

So you're admitting to playing checkers instead of chess, huh?

This "saying" is just dumb and cliche as "we don't die we multiplay"

Sounds good, means absolutely nothing.

It's not as simple as that.

You are essentially deciding to overlook glaring flaws in Kanye's activism yet trying to destroy Kendrick's credibility.

I have not tried to destroy anything. And again its of about what I agree with. It's about authenticity. Kendrick isn't authentic period.

Kendrick never apologized for those lyrics in his song...

When asked to expound on what he was satin in the song he said "black people need to respect themselves....." And then he quit answering questions about his lyrics.

He's running away from his own activism and throwing black people under the bus on the way.

Yet, Kanye apologized for his statement about President Bush:

Kanye West apologises for calling George Bush a racist

Again, I'm not criticizing Kanye, I'm taking shots at your rule set. How can you explain this since you were concrete enough to claim Kanye is

unapologetically Black?

It's funny because this is a prime example of why you should be concrete and strategic in what you say... you stuck in a place where you either try to justify Kanye's backtracking on the Bush comment in an attempt to still claim he's un-apologetically Black. Or admitt hat you were wrong about Kanye and admit that it is important to be strategic about what you say and when.

Can you explain, breh?

Again. It's about speaking your mind. Not repeating marketing buzzwords.

That's it, I'm not here to judge either of them,'but from where stand Kanye is authentic Kendrick is not.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Banner - yes...THE most unapologetically black man in the spotlight at the level he is at. I agree. AND doing real shyt in the community.

Killer Mike is shaky. He does some great shyt but sometimes he tap dances. So no. And I still respect him.

Nas - yes

Cyhi - he raps that what about black on black crime shyt so no...he sampled Pastor Manning as well. No, hell no.

Pusha - He's in my top 10...check my avi...and he does say some shyt here and there. But stop it. He ain't no damn activist.

Kanye bruh? Really? The nikka has said some real shyt in the past but he has said some outlandish shyt. We can go as recent as him begging white folks for money on twitter or crying about how white designers won't cosign or fund him. Pro-black in the music? Yes...outside? He shaky too

Again it's not about explicitly saying it in the music. That's the easy part.

It's about authentically living it. All those artists I posted do that even if you don't agree with some of their action/opinions. They didn't make those actions/opinons based on how the opposition will feel about them.

 

[DPresidential]

Kendrick is an artist and flawed human being.

Much like Muhammad Ali stumbled when talking about race around the time he first changed his name, Kendrick is stumbling too at times.

Have we thought about the possibility of giving brehs a chance to mature int heir ideology before cutting them down in a hail of intellectual gunfire?

Damn.

Where are we moving the ball by trying to descredit an artist in an ATTEMPT to bring even a small amount of awareness in a genre dominated by Hotline Blings and Young Thug pulling them dikks out after Future tells that Young nikka move that dope?

 

[DPresidential]

This "saying" is just dumb and cliche as "we don't die we multiplay"

Sounds good, means absolutely nothing.


I have not tried to destroy anything. And again its of about what I agree with. It's about authenticity. Kendrick isn't authentic period.



When asked to expound on what he was satin in the song he said "black people need to respect themselves....." And then he quit answering questions about his lyrics.

He's running away from his own activism and throwing black people under the bus on the way.


Again. It's about speaking your mind. Not repeating marketing buzzwords.

That's it, I'm not here to judge either of them,'but from where stand Kanye is authentic Kendrick is not.

Breh... Kanye backtracked. This is on your list of brothers who are unapologetically Black.

Funny thing is, I agree with you on that Kanye is unapologetically Black, but for different reasons. You're keeping Kendrick out of your Black VIP section for violating the same rules you are giving exception to Kanye for.

If you judge these brehs by their ART compared to their identity, Kanye left his girl for a white girl and spent the money he could have brought Black people to heaven with by buying it on a Ralph necklace.

Kendrick erred in his assessment about Black people needing respect from white people. That is a point to debate him on, show him why he's wrong and groom him into being a better intellect through his music. Not to completely eliminate him as a pseudo-activist.

Being strategic is what I meant by chess not checkers. It doesn't matter if it's cliche, it fits.

"That's it, I'm not here to judge either of them,'but from where stand Kanye is authentic Kendrick is not."
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Aren't you contradicting yourself here? You ARE judging. And where do you stand? You literally are standing on shaky commandments and definitions, breh.

But okay. Good debate.