Why can't Tennessee find a coach?

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

I dont know the ins and outs of these schools like yall down south nikkas but why do people feel like Tenesse is forever finished?

Wasnt Albama bad for awhile? every big time school has long droughts,before Carrol got to USC they sucked for years

With what Albama did and now Notre Dame doesnt that show all you need is the right coach to turn your prograrm around?

So if these others schools that went from the top and fell for years and now came back up again why cant Tenesee eventually do that?

 

[BillBanneker]

He did interview at Auburn last week...

Interview huh

 

[MoneyTron]

Interview huh

Yeah, apparently Kirby wanted a bit too much control and the commitee didn't like his interview so one thing led to another and...he's still standing on the sidelines at Bama.

He really should have an HC job by now.

 

[Carolina Slim]

I dont know the ins and outs of these schools like yall down south nikkas but why do people feel like Tenesse is forever finished?

Wasnt Albama bad for awhile? every big time school has long droughts,before Carrol got to USC they sucked for years

With what Albama did and now Notre Dame doesnt that show all you need is the right coach to turn your prograrm around?

So if these others schools that went from the top and fell for years and now came back up again why cant Tenesee eventually do that?

It boils down to recruiting, IMO. USC and UCLA can walk out the front door and fall into four and five star recruits. Notre Dame is a national brand and will get the eye of any recruit that they call, even in a down spell. Alabama is a national brand as well. Tennessee doesn't have great high school football, so it's not just a matter of "we'll just make sure we lock down in-state recruiting". They have to have a coach in place who can go into other areas and get recruits (in other words, what they had with Phil Fulmer). The problem is that current coaches look at what they dealing with in the SEC and know that if they not popping in 2-3 years, they might get the boot. Charlie Strong knows he can stay at Louisville, move to the ACC, and conceivably win 8-9 games a year and still good.

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

It boils down to recruiting, IMO. USC and UCLA can walk out the front door and fall into four and five star recruits. Notre Dame is a national brand and will get the eye of any recruit that they call, even in a down spell. Alabama is a national brand as well. Tennessee doesn't have great high school football, so it's not just a matter of "we'll just make sure we lock down in-state recruiting". They have to have a coach in place who can go into other areas and get recruits (in other words, what they had with Phil Fulmer). The problem is that current coaches look at what they dealing with in the SEC and know that if they not popping in 2-3 years, they might get the boot. Charlie Strong knows he can stay at Louisville, move to the ACC, and conceivably win 8-9 games a year and still good.

Yeah but while theyres decent talent in Alabama they still have to go to other states to recruit no?

You say Bamas a "national brand" of course but when they sucked in the late 90's to mid 2000's do u think recruits gave gave shyt or evne knew about Bamas past?

They turned it around strictly becasue Saban came in not becasue of the brand that most high level recruits probably werent even aware of at the time

 

[Born2BKing]

This man's available.

 

[CrimsonTider]

I dont know the ins and outs of these schools like yall down south nikkas but why do people feel like Tenesse is forever finished?

Wasnt Albama bad for awhile? every big time school has long droughts,before Carrol got to USC they sucked for years

With what Albama did and now Notre Dame doesnt that show all you need is the right coach to turn your prograrm around?

So if these others schools that went from the top and fell for years and now came back up again why cant Tenesee eventually do that?

Yeah but while theyres decent talent in Alabama they still have to go to other states to recruit no?

You say Bamas a "national brand" of course but when they sucked in the late 90's to mid 2000's do u think recruits gave gave shyt or evne knew about Bamas past?

They turned it around strictly becasue Saban came in not becasue of the brand that most high level recruits probably werent even aware of at the time

we didn't not suck ever. You forget we were on probation twice.

 

[Carolina Slim]

Yeah but while theyres decent talent in Alabama they still have to go to other states to recruit no?

You say Bamas a "national brand" of course but when they sucked in the late 90's to mid 2000's do u think recruits gave gave shyt or evne knew about Bamas past?

They turned it around strictly becasue Saban came in not becasue of the brand that most high level recruits probably werent even aware of at the time

Bama is more of a brand than Tennessee, at least in my opinion. I mentioned this in another thread regarding Tennessee, but the layout of the state matters. Memphis is the largest city in the state? It's right next to the borders of Arkansas and Mississippi, while Knoxville is like 3-4 hours away. It's not like UT can claim a lock on the talent that comes out of there. From what I can see, in Alabama, you either about Alabama or Auburn. It's easier to recruit when you got one other crew to worry about.

The coach matters, but Bama is a type of place that can get four and five star recruits just off name. Like UNC: even when we went 8-20, Matt Doherty was still able to land talent like Felton, May and McCants, because it's UNC. The main problem that Tennessee is facing is that everybody else in the SEC is doing good. I heard on WFAN the other day that there are 9 SEC teams in bowl games, and they're favored in every single game. That's a grind. Not every coach is gonna want to sign up for that. When Tennessee was popping, I don't think the landscape was like that.

 

[BillBanneker]

It boils down to recruiting, IMO. USC and UCLA can walk out the front door and fall into four and five star recruits. Notre Dame is a national brand and will get the eye of any recruit that they call, even in a down spell. Alabama is a national brand as well. Tennessee doesn't have great high school football, so it's not just a matter of "we'll just make sure we lock down in-state recruiting". They have to have a coach in place who can go into other areas and get recruits (in other words, what they had with Phil Fulmer). The problem is that current coaches look at what they dealing with in the SEC and know that if they not popping in 2-3 years, they might get the boot. Charlie Strong knows he can stay at Louisville, move to the ACC, and conceivably win 8-9 games a year and still good.

You're right, but with the money machine TN has, a coach really doesn't have to worry about recruiting that much. And recruiting in state has never really mattered anyway, as they've always pass up instate talent.

They really need an x and o's type of guy. Cause the current team has talent, but the coaching (esp. on the defensive side of the ball) was atrocious.

Yeah, apparently Kirby wanted a bit too much control and the commitee didn't like his interview so one thing led to another and...he's still standing on the sidelines at Bama.

He really should have an HC job by now.

I really don't see bama though letting him walk unless he asks for big time money.

Anyway, tennessee has made two baad hires in a roll so the programs going to take a hit. And there is no way in hell they hire fulmer again. Especially since that would fracture the fan base.

 

[MikelArteta]

Should have never fired Phi

Dude had a typical Dooley season at 5-7 and was shown the door

Phil is only 62

Chris ault went back
Alvarez coaching the Rose bowl

He'll Johnny majors only 87

Tenn gonna and up with another Dooley type


I said earlier should go And get Kliff kingsbury

 

[The ADD]

Yeah but while theyres decent talent in Alabama they still have to go to other states to recruit no?

You say Bamas a "national brand" of course but when they sucked in the late 90's to mid 2000's do u think recruits gave gave shyt or evne knew about Bamas past?

They turned it around strictly becasue Saban came in not becasue of the brand that most high level recruits probably werent even aware of at the time

Bama has unlimited resources for the right man like Saban. They can recruit Alabama and get first dibs, good kids out of GA, MS and FL

The landscape of college football has changed since the last good UTK run and they just can't rely on what worked then.

 

[JBoy]

Doesn't help Tennessee either that Auburn Bama Clemson and South Carolina with Spurrier is raiding metro Atlanta talent either

 

[Spade]

Tennessee has a nice stadium and good fan support. That's about it. The state is not as good in the talent pool compared to Georgia and Alabama let alone Florida. Tenn use to live off of Georgia talent when GA was average in the 90s. It simply is not that desirable as a job.

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

Bama is more of a brand than Tennessee, at least in my opinion. I mentioned this in another thread regarding Tennessee, but the layout of the state matters. Memphis is the largest city in the state? It's right next to the borders of Arkansas and Mississippi, while Knoxville is like 3-4 hours away. It's not like UT can claim a lock on the talent that comes out of there. From what I can see, in Alabama, you either about Alabama or Auburn. It's easier to recruit when you got one other crew to worry about.

The coach matters, but Bama is a type of place that can get four and five star recruits just off name. Like UNC: even when we went 8-20, Matt Doherty was still able to land talent like Felton, May and McCants, because it's UNC. The main problem that Tennessee is facing is that everybody else in the SEC is doing good. I heard on WFAN the other day that there are 9 SEC teams in bowl games, and they're favored in every single game. That's a grind. Not every coach is gonna want to sign up for that. When Tennessee was popping, I don't think the landscape was like that.

Regardless Dooley of all people had a few straight top 10 recruiting classes so if you get the right coach there they clearly can be good again because he proved u can still get talent there he just fukked it up

 

[Charlie Broadway]

Plenty of posters have already given the main reason which is recruiting. Tennessee has to go into Florida and convince kids to leave, Georgia kids to ignore UGA, etc. Hell they have to fight with Ole Miss for Memphis kids. It can be done but it is difficult and you have to do it every single year. South Carolina's recent come up is a newer pain in the ass. So now just to win the sec east you have to get by Florida, Georgia AND South Carolina. Tennessee also has the privilege of playing Bama every year as a cross division rival. Tennessee does have ridiculous new facilities though, arguably the best of any school east of the Mississippi.

That said I still think they can hit a home run. Missing out on your top choices isn't the end of the world. If they ended up with Kirby Smart I think they come out like bandits. I've seen rumors that Major Appplewhite would probably leave Texas to be his OC i Smart got the job. We'll see.