Why are there so many anti-black or racism ignoring black people in America?

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c00ns, c00ns, c00ns.

@Althalucian

From Thomas Sowell to Larry Elder and the newer crop of black people haters Candace Owens and "tell it like it is" black influencers (there's a lot!) on YouTube who peddle explicit white supremacy talking points - why?

Did they grow up around just black people? Or just white people? Have they never experienced racism? Self hatred? Money? Inability to see reality?

Do they see only conspiracy? Maybe it's ego?

They get trotted out by hardcore racists and conservatives as vindication for their beliefs. It really is mind boggling they don't see the virulently racist people that use them.

I'm in my 30s and have been around white my whole life. If anything I should be one of these anti-black people, yet I would never do that. Why would I submit to white people that way? Why would I ignore my own experiences?

Maybe they think that if they deny racism they can get around the effects of racism. I don't know.

Do you guys know people like this in your personal life? Or have theories for this strange phenomenon?

that c00n money be good to them.....

I think a lack of engagement on c00n issues is the problem, no one is willing to take the time, or do the hard work of debunking the bullshyt... they simply dismiss them, and the dismissal is taken as a concession.

Even on here its easier to just point and say troll.

money and fame for the top c00ns and grifters

wanting to feel like they're different, part of the power structure, and buy into ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery, etc Ie @DEAD7 , TLR, etc


I've met a few Dominicans over the years but for the most part I've never run into people with these mindsets, most of the Black people I know are immigrants or second generation and I live in NYC... I can't see myself interacting with anyone like that

The grift and being rejected by black people at a young age.

They're fukking Republican that's why

The problem is a lot of black pundits and “activists” don’t debate her in a professional manner. I remember that panel she was on at a black event with TI, and every time she spoke, everyone was like, “NOOO! NOOO,” not letting her speak. It looked bad. Her points can be debunked, but until someone can be calm and professional enough to do it, it appears to the other side that she’s right. She’s dressed professionally, meanwhile, the black activists can’t put on a suit and tie. They go on national television in t-shirts. You can’t discuss business if you aren’t being professional.

And most of the comments on her tweets are just calling her names, and calling her a sellout, and not presenting facts, or rebuttals. I read one reply from a black man that pointed out she only makes posts criticizing black people, but never anything positive. THAT is the point that needs to be emphasized regarding these kind of people. They claim making things about race is racist, but constantly mention negative things about black people. What black conservative, or liberal is posting statistics about the white community, and drug abuse, and blaming white parents? Who is forcing white people to drugs? Why after school shootings is the argument over guns, and mental illness, and never white parenting?

Why aren’t they pointing out that the government is paying for rehab and narcan to help majority white people solve their problems, but black people are always preached personal responsibility.

These are the points that need to be made, not the emotional,

“You’re just a sellout!”

Remember that Candace Owens was super liberal before she started her current grift

When Trump is gone a lot of these people will starve IMO, because they will be trying to transition to a new grift that they've already blocked themselves out of

Yeah gotta figure most of them ain't diehard believers.. but they will sellout for some coin.



problem with all of that for them though.... time is coming where that judas money is gonna dry up

Money is probably the main reason, but some are true believers in white supremacy. That is to say they believe White's dominant position is some combination of inevitable and just. Maybe 60/40 between the two.

i think the actual academics tend to be telling you their honest beliefs (sowell, lowry, mcwhorter, etc.) and the retired cops/failed comics. etc. are generally phoney. and then you have somebody like clarence thomas who i think is a combination of a true believer and a cynic with an axe to grind against the black community.

Theres not that many of them.

Its that white media is signal boosting a bunch of these clowns.

I've hate-watched Loury and McWhorter's podcast for shyts and giggles but i disagree with like 95% of all the stuff they say so I now i'm definitely not a conservative.

They legit want to ignore ANY role of white supremacy in black welfare but then never want to address the struggles of black society.

Whats also telling is most of them either work in THINK TANKS or ACADEMIA...neither of which are real jobs subject to the real pressures and non-politically motivated job dynamics

Peep my thread on Valdary: https://www.thecoli.com/threads/theres-a-new-candace-owens-on-the-horizon-chloé-s-valdary.792549/

I've been watching this rise too.

Its all from IDW types who only get boosted by white media but who have NO pull or even cachet or credibility in black society.

Kmele, Coleman and Thomas literally don't think they're black

 

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i've been meaning to have this convo for a long time now...

 

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Relevant to the topic.

Roland honestly has REAL black conservatives on his channel. The conservatives roland talks to dont deny racism or white supremacy.

Its these IDW clowns who legit dont even have a mirror to call themselves black.

They're quick to assert race is a social definition, which it is, but then want to ignore race in the legacy of policy decisions affecting generations of black economics and politics.

 

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I would not put Sowell in the same category as Owens and Elder. Owens and Elder are grifters, they have found a nice hustle and can get the bag with their shtick. Sowell has gone batshyt the last couple of years judging by his online articles, but his books actually put forward cogent arguments.

even mcwhorter and loury have PhDs...they're just highly educated clowns.

its these guys like Coleman Hughes who literally graduated WEEKS ago being boosted over THOUSANDS of black PhDs and experts on this stuff that don't get boosted by white centrists and conservatives

I've been watching this for a while...



I mean seeing him pitted against Ta-nehisi Coates to debate this in front of congress was so insulting. Coleman Hughes was still doing essays for homework in college when republicans plucked him to congress to debate scholars and academics on this topic. They had no respect for the idea or the nature of the topic. Hughes literally hasn't had enough time invested to address the issue... and hughes doesn't even consider himself to be black!

 

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They're fukking Republican that's why

nah, these new age ones are contrarians too. Thats the swarmy thing. A lot of black republicans embrace being black.

they're quick to be post racial yet ignore racist instances today

 

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I can't stand these guys. They're smart enough, educated, and old enough to know how black issues have flowed from the founding of the country to now, and still act like the dots can't be connected.

I have tried to get into their stuff but they sound like biologists who don't think the universe is more than 6000 years old. It's sad.

McWhorter always seemed to be just a nervous clown. Married to a white woman so respectability must be high on his list.

Loury just confuses me. Its like he wants us to be perfect, while others do half as much and get double. Not to mention Loury also has a gay son and used to have a big drug problem so he could be overcompensating.

 

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I mean look at this bullshyt

its ALWAYS white dudes signal boosting them:

 

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Peep these clowns:



Neither of which think they're black:





In Principle | Kmele Foster - Doesn't Self-identify As Black

 

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@Althalucian this is a critical thread. I'll keep it updated. you do the same.

 

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Mandatory reading on Coleman Hughes: Coleman Hughes Cannot Be Trusted | IDEAS ON IDEAS

 

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I only know Chatteron Williams from the NY Times, he had some cool articles here and there, I didn't even know he was conservative. Or black.

 

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@Althalucian @ogc163

Peep the fact that only people platforming Adolph Reed's class reductionism are white outlets:

 

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@Althalucian this is a critical thread. I'll keep it updated. you do the same.

My breh's back

 

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@ogc163 @Althalucian

This is critical!

a black sociologist wrote this:

This is incredible! He's calling out these IDW pawns being used as black faces!!!

There are many black intellectuals and pundits whose opinions happen to converge with others in IDW spaces. They also reject racism and anti-racism. I say “happen to converge,” because there is nothing to suggest that the views of these black intellectuals are disingenuous and not coming from a place of deep thought and reflection. These are not Uncle Toms. But it is also true that their words carry more weight because they are black, and the white owners of IDW platforms seek these voices out to legitimate their own opinions.

I think I was judged a black messenger for a time. I appeared on Iona Italia’s podcast Two for Tea and taped a video Benjamin Boyce’s YouTube channel, The Boyce of Reason (as of this writing, it has not yet appeared). I enjoyed those conversations. Moreover, my friend network on Twitter is filled with people who fit into this IDW space.

But I am a minor messenger at best.

I do not possess the pedigree to be a big draw for a platform. More importantly, I agree with the current anti-racist consensus. I am not the most attractive guest. Here are some of the more prominent black messengers:

• Coleman Hughes
• Wilfred Reilly
• Chloé Valdary
• John Wood Jr.
• Thomas Chatterton Williams

Because there are so few, this core group is seen repeatedly on a variety of white-owned platforms, and invite each other onto their own.

There are two messengers who, for me, stand above the rest: Glenn Loury and John McWhorter. Glenn Loury hosts a "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); background-repeat: repeat no-repeat;">podcast on Blogging Heads and frequently has John McWhorter as a host. The conversations can sometimes be remarkable. They possess singular abilities to talk about issues with equal parts insight and irreverance.

Black messengers are essential for the survival of soft racism in IDW spaces. Content creators hosting content in which they question the anti-racist narratives about police brutality and systemic racism risk appearing overtly racist. As such, they must find black messengers to co-sign their soft racism.

The hard bigotry of soft racism
I agree with Boston University professor "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); background-repeat: repeat no-repeat;">Ibram X. Kendi and other race scholars who argue that one cannot be “not-racist.” You are either racist or anti-racist. The ideas in IDW spaces amount to a kind of soft racism because they protect white people from acknowledging the modern anti-racist consensus. In sum, this is accomplished in three ways:

1. Narratives are developed that discredit the academics who have invested the most time in understanding racial phenomena
2. Social science ideas are evaluated erroneously through the lens of hard science
3. Black intellectuals are recruited to legitimate these narratives

As mentioned above, I find many of the discussions held by Loury and McWhorter to be thought-provoking. In many conversations I find myself nodding in agreement with an incisive comment made by Loury or an apt analogy offered by McWhorter. And so I think — “Oh…maybe they are right — racism is not systemic.” And this is me, someone who may have just written a summary of research showing rather convincingly that black people are systematically discriminated against in employment and housing markets!

For this reason, I titled this essay the hard bigotry of soft racism. The individuals in these spaces are highly intelligent. The gift and curse of people with high intellect are that they can use their considerable endowments to deflect criticisms, burrow deeply into a theoretical hole, and live there. They can generate all of these justifications that have some prima facie validity, until one goes and looks at the research done by people who actually study the issue for a living, and you find out that they are wrong.

Try to convince someone in this space that critical theorists have been at the forefront of much of the positive social change since the 1980s. Try to convince them that Robin DiAngelo’s white fragility argument, when put into practice, can facilitate interracial discussions. Attempt to describe the impact of systemic racism on racial minorities and the need for policy change. You may find it hard to do so because so many rejoinders and counterarguments have been generated.

Anti-racist acts
So what can be done?

I took the route of genuine engagement. I see my engagement in these spaces as an anti-racist act. For me this was an active engagement on an academic level. I write. I appear on platforms. I engage on Twitter.

I suggest other writers and academics do the same. Do not ignore this space. This bigotry is hard and will be lasting.

Another way of engaging is to simply be aware of what people in these spaces are thinking. I would imagine that most people who read this article have no idea who many of the black messengers are. This is a problem because their ideas have a disproportionate influence. I suggest listening to some of the arguments generated by black messengers like "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); background-repeat: repeat no-repeat;">Coleman Hughes and understand what soft racism actually looks like. This is also an anti-racist act as knowing is half the battle, as they say.

Moving forward, I believe that this soft racism will become the dominant mode of rejecting policies that can reduce racial inequality in the United States. Anti-racists should be prepared for it.



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