Why are there so many anti-black or racism ignoring black people in America?

[DEAD7]

i think the actual academics tend to be telling you their honest beliefs (sowell, lowry, mcwhorter, etc.) and the retired cops/failed comics. etc. are generally phoney. and then you have somebody like clarence thomas who i think is a combination of a true believer and a cynic with an axe to grind against the black community.

Thomas argued a very basic premise... The government should consider race only when there is a "pressing public necessity." In Thomas' view, that means the state can only consider race "to provide a bulwark against anarchy, or to prevent violence."

Coming from a supreme court justice, this doesnt seem like c00ning to me... and from what i understand Affirmative Action made his time at Yale hellish, which is why he is against the law.
I've never thought he was anti black... he just doesnt get that the "justice" his colleagues deal out isn't color blind.

 

[wtfyomom]

man i feel like with social media and maybe trump getting elected this shyt has exploded . I see a ton of these dudes/bytches on social media now, but by far candace owens is the worst.

 

[Mowgli]

First we separate the immigrants from the black people.

Alot of these c00ns are immigrants trying to show out for white people

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

First we separate the immigrants from the black people.

Alot of these c00ns are immigrants trying to show out for white people

Why you just shyt on yourself and your people?

 

[DrBanneker]

I don't think either one of these guys are anti-black.

I met Loury personally once years ago. Far from anti-Black. In fact, he and Robert Woodson (DC based conservative community leader) burnt a lot of bridges with the conservative movement when they publicly bailed out of AEI over Dinesh D'Souza's hit job against Black people "The End or Racism". Also the decision by AEI to shelter Charles Murray after the Bell Curve was probably another thing that pushed them out. Loury has been his own man since, which I respect and wish more Black conservatives would do.

I overall respected McWhorter's first book though I think it went a bit too hard on anecdotal evidence to claim anti-intellectualism was the source of all of Black America's problems. Like a lot of conservatives though, he had an interesting splash with his first book (like Sowell's Ethnic America or Steele's Content of our Character) then got sucked into a think tank (Manhattan Institute for him, Hoover for Sowell and Steele) and after that a lot of his work devolved into the same ideological hit pieces against Black culture, Black leaders, etc while never lashing out at racism in their own ranks. He's back at Columbia now so maybe he has mellowed. I haven't read his stuff in a while though.

We really need a Black owned and controlled organization for Black conservatives that want to uplift Blacks but not take shyt from their White counterparts. I don't really see any of them desiring that sort of independence though and not many young people are coming into their own. McWhorter isn't that young and other people I see these days really lack comparative intellectual depth.

 

[Mowgli]

Why you just shyt on yourself and your people?

They're good. My other side need help

Holla

 

[Counter Racist Male]

I met Loury personally once years ago. Far from anti-Black. In fact, he and Robert Woodson (DC based conservative community leader) burnt a lot of bridges with the conservative movement when they publicly bailed out of AEI over Dinesh D'Souza's hit job against Black people "The End or Racism". Also the decision by AEI to shelter Charles Murray after the Bell Curve was probably another thing that pushed them out. Loury has been his own man since, which I respect and wish more Black conservatives would do.

I overall respected McWhorter's first book though I think it went a bit too hard on anecdotal evidence to claim anti-intellectualism was the source of all of Black America's problems. Like a lot of conservatives though, he had an interesting splash with his first book (like Sowell's Ethnic America or Steele's Content of our Character) then got sucked into a think tank (Manhattan Institute for him, Hoover for Sowell and Steele) and after that a lot of his work devolved into the same ideological hit pieces against Black culture, Black leaders, etc while never lashing out at racism in their own ranks. He's back at Columbia now so maybe he has mellowed. I haven't read his stuff in a while though.

We really need a Black owned and controlled organization for Black conservatives that want to uplift Blacks but not take shyt from their White counterparts. I don't really see any of them desiring that sort of independence though and not many young people are coming into their own. McWhorter isn't that young and other people I see these days really lack comparative intellectual depth.

Years ago I tried to read one of John Mcwhorters books only made it halfway through. I can’t remember which book it was, but I know it was about racism.

Here’s two real questions for you;

One why does the stuff have to be conservative or liberal?

Why can’t this stuff just be common sense knowledge without these paradigms created by people who have been racist towards us?

Two, why does it have to be and “intellectual”?

Why can’t this stuff be made to be understood by broadbrush of black people ?

 

[How Sway?]

Money.

I also suspect that many of them were ridiculed by their peers and even some of their family for being an odd ball, so they sought refuge with white people who tolerated them as an individual.

This mainly applies to new age c00ns like candace owens, these black guys that rep maga and folks like larry elder and jesse lee peterson etc....

I don't consider thomas sowell part of that cohort even though some of their viewpoints overlap.

 

[Json]

Exceptionalism is a drug.

At a young age or by a minorities first sexual experiences, they can become indoctrinated by the idea of being the exception minority.

The white guy chooses you despite none of your friends being in an interracial relationship( especially in an larger white area) or you become a version of a model minority by the fact you are simply doing something you excel at. That feeling of being on the same level as your white peers becomes a drug I think quite a few minorities chase.

By the time young adulthood starts you can either have that desire reinforced or undermined by white people outside the bubble they grew up in. Then it becomes a matter of the personality of the person to accommodate these new paradigms.

 

[DrBanneker]

One why does the stuff have to be conservative or liberal?

I really, really wish it weren't. A lot of stupid intellectual fights in the Black debate of ideas have occurred because people won't grant someone else is right because of an ideological label. Both sides are guilty of it. I think if they just made their case to Black people directly with sound ideas we would all be the better for it.

Why can’t this stuff just be common sense knowledge without these paradigms created by people who have been racist towards us?

Because, if you convince some people that correct "common sense" belongs to one ideology or another, you can convince them to accept other stuff they normally probably wouldn't.

Two, why does it have to be and “intellectual”?

Why can’t this stuff be made to be understood by broadbrush of black people ?

Because they are talking to Black people in a sense but that is not their audience. The people that fund them, give them pats on the back, arrange for them to be on TV, etc. by and large aren't Black. For liberals this means the academic circles, liberal intellectuals, and various parts of the Left. For conservatives this means the large think tanks, conservative foundations, and conservative news outlets that provide syndicated column space.

They need to get the right ideas and buzzwords in for these crowds. They will tell themselves they are really "helping" general Blacks but most of them often aren't like the old school Black liberals or conservatives. DuBois, Booker T, and Garvey all went and spoke to regular Black grounds and built institutions with Blacks to help Blacks. These guys think being a thought leader, policy analyst, and writing a couple of books is all that needs to be done.

 

[DrBanneker]

This mainly applies to new age c00ns like candace owens, these black guys that rep maga and folks like larry elder and jesse lee peterson etc....

I don't consider thomas sowell part of that cohort even though some of their viewpoints overlap.

I think I agree. Some of these guys I think aren't as hard core ideological in real life but know they have to keep a front for their audience. Notice how Sowell suddenly decided to retire right when Trump became president, especially after being part of those essays going against him in the election. I saw him try to dissent a few times and then recant over the years. He was actually hard core against Iraq War II in the very beginning but once it got going, he became one of the worst neocons promoting all kinds of War on Terror stuff and neocon policies. Likewise when the Bell Curve came out he initially wrote some soft critical reviews for it in niche conservative magazines but then did a lead editorial for Newsweek saying it was "not a racist book".

I don't think he would be at home with this current crop though that has it seems the intellectual heft of a freshman undergraduate.

 

[Althalucian]

I think I agree. Some of these guys I think aren't as hard core ideological in real life but know they have to keep a front for their audience. Notice how Sowell suddenly decided to retire right when Trump became president, especially after being part of those essays going against him in the election. I saw him try to dissent a few times and then recant over the years. He was actually hard core against Iraq War II in the very beginning but once it got going, he became one of the worst neocons promoting all kinds of War on Terror stuff and neocon policies. Likewise when the Bell Curve came out he initially wrote some soft critical reviews for it in niche conservative magazines but then did a lead editorial for Newsweek saying it was "not a racist book".

I don't think he would be at home with this current crop though that has it seems the intellectual heft of a freshman undergraduate.

The greatest irony of Sowell is that he is clearly very smart, very educated, and accomplished in his area but he has been carted out by the literal most racist people I have ever come across online for about the past 15 years. I mean the literal neo-nazi websites, the ******'s, the worst racists and the worst magas. They use him as a weapon against black people in ways I have never seen a black person be used.

He has to know this by now. If white conservatives like David French or Jonah Goldberg have seen the light I don't know how Sowell hasnt.

I'd like to watch a documentary about this dude, especially in light of just seeing the Baldwin documentary "I am Not Your Negro".

 

[re'up]

I was reading through an old essay I wrote in high school on Affirmative Action, and I breezed through a page, and saw I was quoting Sowell, and began to think I was advocating against AA, and sure enough I was, using Sowell's arguments. Horrified, I read more, and realized, with a relief, that the format of the essay required it of me, and then saw the pages where I expressed my own opinion, very much in favor of AA, but asking American to acknowledge and repair the racism that would make a policy like that needed in the first place. I was pretty impressed with the 15 year old me.

 

[thatrapsfan]

I really, really wish it weren't. A lot of stupid intellectual fights in the Black debate of ideas have occurred because people won't grant someone else is right because of an ideological label. Both sides are guilty of it. I think if they just made their case to Black people directly with sound ideas we would all be the better for it.



Because, if you convince some people that correct "common sense" belongs to one ideology or another, you can convince them to accept other stuff they normally probably wouldn't.



Because they are talking to Black people in a sense but that is not their audience. The people that fund them, give them pats on the back, arrange for them to be on TV, etc. by and large aren't Black. For liberals this means the academic circles, liberal intellectuals, and various parts of the Left. For conservatives this means the large think tanks, conservative foundations, and conservative news outlets that provide syndicated column space.

They need to get the right ideas and buzzwords in for these crowds. They will tell themselves they are really "helping" general Blacks but most of them often aren't like the old school Black liberals or conservatives. DuBois, Booker T, and Garvey all went and spoke to regular Black grounds and built institutions with Blacks to help Blacks. These guys think being a thought leader, policy analyst, and writing a couple of books is all that needs to be done.

I gotta say, among people I follow, read etc especially on social media, the idea their views are unquestionable because of their ideological alignment has become the norm. I actually find myself yearning for contrarian views like the Loury/McWhorter video, because they make some points that are obviously worth debating at the least, but are dismissed out of hand because of ideological labels.

This isn’t to say I’m sympathetic to new MAGA ecosphere at all, but there is a desperate need for contrarian views in current environment. Otherwise you end up in a situation where popular social media views are completely unaligned with the general public (see the Dem primary)

 

[ogc163]