That nikka been hitting that meth pipe for too long, he in dreamland
Why are AA's the only group in the diaspora who are told get in tune with their culture?
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So, you just ignored music, certain foods, and our own ways of talking just to say we worship the white mans' god(which Africans do, and they weren't even slaves, Plus lets not forget the Muslims!)
Afro-Brazilians, don't worship no African gods, stop bullshytting yourself, them nikkas are catholics. Their dance is THEIR dance, not African. It may have a mix, but even that is a reach. Their music is funk, which is a spin off of Black American music!. Their clothes aint no different from us, the only people who wear African garb is when they are trying to emulate the times of slavery! Carnival is not African, go to Africa with the women have their t*ts out, and being sexual, and see what happens. The only place where I've seen chicks with their breast out is in South Africa, and they weren't being sexual about it.
Jamaicans speak patois, but that is seen as a ghetto dialect. All Jamaicans do not talk like that, that is looked down upon, you just showed you don't know shyt about Jamaicans. If you listen to black southeners, when they want to get "dirty south" the language is a mix of some African, and english. If you do research on the language of the people of sierra leone, you can hear some it. Listen to this geechie lady talk, and you can hear some of the way she talks has connection to west indian, and Sierra leon. I don't mean the sound, I mean the words she is using, and how she is using them. I know this is true, because when i would go down south, and talk to the people who were rural, they sounded just like her.
Jamaican music aint African, its a spin off of black american music. From Reggae to dancehall. And they use the white mans instruments, but you just forgot about that, right! And where in their culture is heavily African, because you haven't mentioned ONE thing yet, besides patios, which all don't do! Ad them nikkas are heavily catholic, aint no African gods being worshiped by the average Jamaican, STOP BULLshytTING!
You have no idea what you are talking about. Other blacks are under white supremacy with no whites around. All the islands are christian, they all talk with a british connection or spanish one, and the people who have the most control are either mixed or lightskin, and show nothing African about them. if anything, they do everything possible to show they are not attached to that!
You just have something against black americans, so you make up some false shyt to feel good about yourself. Keep doing it, because I aint ashamed of where I come from. I don't hate Africa, but I don't suck African dikk, when my people made something out of nothing in a place that tried to exterminate us! We got the whole world doing what we created, and we NEVER said "that is our shyt", we don't even care! Its fools like you who are so high & mighty, and stuck on Africa, that you can't even give credit to the people who live on these islands, and countries, to let them be proud of their own creations. You are so dumb you don't even realize you are making them look slow & dumb as hell, that they can't create something new after being away from their homeland for hundreds of years. Its not true, but if I was foul, I can make it to where you are saying they are slow people!
Jamaicans are Catholics huh
The way the average Jamaican on the street talks sounds more African than anything aframs say, if you've ever heard Twi (from Ghana) you'd know that. This dude really brought out the "Gullah" people like they represent mainstream AA culture. A slowly dieing, sub-group numbering only a few thousand people.
Nobody speaks Gullah in day to day life my dude.And Afro-brazillians are mostly mixed race still hugely practice African culture. Candomble which is a blatantly African religion that looks Catholic on the surface has 2 million followers just in Brazil alone.
NPR Choice page
No AA's did not retain any of this. It's the truth.
So, I see you can't comprehend what you're reading as wellJamaicans are Catholics huh
The way the average Jamaican on the street talks sounds more African than anything aframs say, if you've ever heard Twi (from Ghana) you'd know that. This dude really brought out the "Gullah" people like they represent mainstream AA culture. A slowly dieing, sub-group numbering only a few thousand people.
And Afro-brazillians are mostly mixed race still hugely practice African culture. Candomble which is a blatantly African religion that looks Catholic on the surface has 2 million followers just in Brazil alone.
NPR Choice page
No AA's did not retain any of this. It's the truth.
Jamaicans are Christians, I explained why i wrote catholic already to "dip". You just want feel good about yourself, so I understand. Not being shyt is a very hard thing to deal with. So, because they sound more African that means something nice? How is that good when the people who make it feel talking like that is low class?
I gave the link to the gueechie lady because I wanted to use her as an example of how rural people talk, which even city people do when they want to get "down home"(the words, not the sound necessarily. learn to read). It's no different from Jamaicans, and patois
I'm not explaining myself again, a fool understood everything I wrote.
Just because Brazilians are mostly mixed race that practice African culture, that means nothing. Like I wrote, a few don't speak for the majority!
There are over 97,000,000 Afro-Brazilians, and only 2,000,000 practice that religion? Aint no different from black americans who are in the conscious community that talk about Africa all day and those who aren't. In fact it was black americans who made the African movement a big thing. If you listen to Brazilians, they got the movement of being proud of being black from black americans!
Everything from "melanin" to "black pride" to wearing natural hair, to having African studies in school, came from us! You give all these other groups credit for being more African, but it was US who gave you the history, and the PRIDE to be black in another land!WE STARTED THIS BLACK PRIDE shyt, AND THIS THE MOTHERfukkING THANKS WE GET
You have just showed me you have no type of logical thinking AT ALL!
IllmaticDelta
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Jamaicans are Catholics huh
jamaicans are christians
english speakers
mainstream aframs are the source of the jamaican music you think came from africa
A slowly dieing, sub-group numbering only a few thousand people.
more like at least 250,0000
Hoodoo is a similarly derived form of folk magic practiced by some African American communities in the Southern United States. Other traditions of syncretic folk religion in North America include Louisiana Voodoo as well as Pennsylvania Dutch Pow-wow, in which practitioners invoke power through the Christian God.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_syncretism#Caribbean_and_Afro-American
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Mojo Workin': The Old African American Hoodoo System
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13697064-mojo-workin
Black Magic: Religion and the African American Conjuring Tradition
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What is the difference between Voodoo, Hoodoo and Santeria?
IllmaticDelta
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So, I see you can't comprehend what you're reading as well
Jamaicans are Christians, I explained why i wrote catholic already to "dip". You just want feel good about yourself, so I understand. Not being shyt is a very hard thing to deal with. So, because they sound more African that means something nice? How is that good when the people who make it feel talking like that is low class?
I gave the link to the gueechie lady because I wanted to use her as an example of how rural people talk, which even city people do when they want to get "down home"(the words, not the sound necessarily. learn to read). It's no different from Jamaicans, and patois
I'm not explaining myself again, a fool understood everything I wrote.
Just because Brazilians are mostly mixed race that practice African culture, that means nothing. Like I wrote, a few don't speak for the majority!
There are over 97,000,000 Afro-Brazilians, and only 2,000,000 practice that religion? Aint no different from black americans who are in the conscious community that talk about Africa all day and those who aren't. In fact it was black americans who made the African movement a big thing. If you listen to Brazilians, they got the movement of being proud of being black from black americans!
WE STARTED THIS BLACK PRIDE shyt, AND THIS THE MOTHERfukkING THANKS WE GET
You have just showed me you have no type of logical thinking AT ALL!
dude trying to
IllmaticDelta
Veteran
If some non-AA’s and off-brand AA’s feel that we’re whitewashed, then let them believe so.
They don’t seem to mind participating in or imitating this white washed culture of ours.
If some nikka’s wanna play the we’re Blacker then yall game, keep it 100 and separate from being all up in our shyt. Anything less is all talk.
They don’t seem to mind participating in or imitating this white washed culture of ours.
If some nikka’s wanna play the we’re Blacker then yall game, keep it 100 and separate from being all up in our shyt. Anything less is all talk.
IllmaticDelta
Veteran
i'm simply correcting two points you made.
comparing the US to Barbados
cook breh
my main point was that OG population size wasn't as much of a factor as compared to how much slave masters allowed one to be themselves combined with how often your african stock was replenished
From African to Creole
I will continue this discussion but in this post I will apply it more generally for Afro-descendants in the Americas and in more detail for African Americans. Starting with this chart taken from the slavevoyages database:
It shows the percentage of disembarked slaves from documented slavevoyages according to century of arrival. A couple of things standing out:
- The Hispanic Americas received most of the earliest arrivals (1500’s/1600’s), relatively speaking and specifically the Dominican Republic (“Santo Domingo”) and Central America (incl. Mexico and Colombia).
- Puerto Rico and especially Cuba however show a big share of late arrivals (1800’s). The same goes for Trinidad and southeast Brazil. Historians often assume that socalled African retention (the preservation of ethnically/regionally recognizably African cultural heritage) is most noticeable for places where slave imports continued the longest into the 1800’s while Creolization is assumed to be most pronounced for regions where slave imports were mostly in the 1600’s/1700’s.
- Most of the English and French speaking Caribbean as well as the USA fall in between. Meaning that for Afro-descendants in these countries most of their African born ancestors can be traced to the 1700’s.
Getting more specific for African Americans we can see a clear difference between Virginia and South Carolina, the main points of entry for Africans into the USA. South Carolina also having a minor but significant share of African arrivals in the early 1800’s of about 30%. While Virginia’s African imports were mostly occurring before 1750, implying a rather early Creolization, that is a locally born slave population of mixed African ethnic origins starting to develop its own regionally specific Afro-Diasporan culture. Comparable to what took place in Cape Verde in the 1500’s/1600’s. It is known that Virginia was one of the earliest places within the Americas where slave populations had a positive population growth. Fully reproducing themselves so that additional slave imports from Africa were no longer necessary unlike most of the Caribbean and Brazil where slave mortality was so high that slave imports continued on a massive scale right till the end of slavery.
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The last chart is based on estimates calculated by Ph. D.Morgan in his book, Slave Counterpoint which provides an excellent analysis of the differences and similarities between 18th century slaves in Virginia and South Carolina. Studying this period, the 1700’s, will be essential for African Americans wanting to trace back their African ethnic origins as ultimately, because of the domestic slave trade, most of their USA-born ancestors might be from either Virginia and/or South Carolina. That is going back 6-8 generations and not just based on where your grandparents are from. Virginia probably having an edge because it started exporting slaves to other parts of the USA, especially the Deep South, earlier and in greater numbers than South Carolina. I will post more about this later on.
For anyone looking for some quick introductional information follow these links:
- This one is a bit schematic but useful maps and charts on the very last pages.
- African Roots Of African-American Culture
Quote from that last source:
“Creoles, the First African Americans, and Creolization
In North America, the African population that came over as slaves had begun to reproduce itself by the 1730s. Before the 1730s, the Black population had to be constantly replenished by the slave trade, because most Blacks either died without reproducing or died before reaching adulthood. During the 1730s this changed and what emerged was a locally-born African-American population that we call creole Blacks. These creole Blacks were the first African Americans, and their process of bridging African and American worlds is what we refer to as creolization. African-Americans creoles, born after the 1730s, were unlike their ancestors in many respects because they were born in America. By about 1820, almost 90 percent of Black American slaves were American-born. We must, therefore, distinguish the African-born population, which became quite negligible by 1800, and the American-born Creole population that became dominant after 1820, because African-American culture begins with this Creole population. “
From African to Creole
Oceanicpuppy
Superstar
These people weren't alive during the 60's and 70's
Because these never happened
( A black American was one of the first champions against King Leopolds atrocities in the Congo)
Their are a lot of Unsung black American heros in African History.
Lets address the how many cultures world wide used the Black Panthers teaching and swag in the 70s.
Y'all gotta do your research before you post.
Google is totally at your disposal. Don't be lazy!!!
Sankofa Alwayz
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So, you just ignored music, certain foods, and our own ways of talking just to say we worship the white mans' god(which Africans do, and they weren't even slaves, Plus lets not forget the Muslims!)
Afro-Brazilians, don't worship no African gods, stop bullshytting yourself, them nikkas are catholics. Their dance is THEIR dance, not African. It may have a mix, but even that is a reach. Their music is funk, which is a spin off of Black American music!. Their clothes aint no different from us, the only people who wear African garb is when they are trying to emulate the times of slavery! Carnival is not African, go to Africa with the women have their t*ts out, and being sexual, and see what happens. The only place where I've seen chicks with their breast out is in South Africa, and they weren't being sexual about it.
Jamaicans speak patois, but that is seen as a ghetto dialect. All Jamaicans do not talk like that, that is looked down upon, you just showed you don't know shyt about Jamaicans. If you listen to black southeners, when they want to get "dirty south" the language is a mix of some African, and english. If you do research on the language of the people of sierra leone, you can hear some it. Listen to this geechie lady talk, and you can hear some of the way she talks has connection to west indian, and Sierra leon. I don't mean the sound, I mean the words she is using, and how she is using them. I know this is true, because when i would go down south, and talk to the people who were rural, they sounded just like her.
Jamaican music aint African, its a spin off of black american music. From Reggae to dancehall. And they use the white mans instruments, but you just forgot about that, right! And where in their culture is heavily African, because you haven't mentioned ONE thing yet, besides patios, which all don't do! Ad them nikkas are heavily catholic, aint no African gods being worshiped by the average Jamaican, STOP BULLshytTING!
You have no idea what you are talking about. Other blacks are under white supremacy with no whites around. All the islands are christian, they all talk with a british connection or spanish one, and the people who have the most control are either mixed or lightskin, and show nothing African about them. if anything, they do everything possible to show they are not attached to that!
You just have something against black americans, so you make up some false shyt to feel good about yourself. Keep doing it, because I aint ashamed of where I come from. I don't hate Africa, but I don't suck African dikk, when my people made something out of nothing in a place that tried to exterminate us! We got the whole world doing what we created, and we NEVER said "that is our shyt", we don't even care! Its fools like you who are so high & mighty, and stuck on Africa, that you can't even give credit to the people who live on these islands, and countries, to let them be proud of their own creations. You are so dumb you don't even realize you are making them look slow & dumb as hell, that they can't create something new after being away from their homeland for hundreds of years. Its not true, but if I was foul, I can make it to where you are saying they are slow people!
Damn breh....Why you had to ether him like that?
K.O.N.Y
Superstar
i believe breh he was arguing is AframDamn breh....Why you had to ether him like that?
And inter-ethnic c00ning is a huge No No
IsThatBrothaMouzone?
Superstar
We're told to "get in tune" because people don't realize AA culture is actually American culture. You can't tell the story of America without us and that goes beyond slavery. We make the mistake of disengaging from the U.S. like it doesn't belong to us and then seeking out acceptance from Africans when Africa isn't 100% home either. It's our country and it became Top Dog in large part because of OUR contributions. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
We are more 'American' than any group outside of the Native peoples. When immigrants say "you have no culture" what they're really saying is "I've only learned American history from the white perspective and have internalized their views towards AA." They see us as outsiders because they've been trained to see us that way by 'The Man.'
We are more 'American' than any group outside of the Native peoples. When immigrants say "you have no culture" what they're really saying is "I've only learned American history from the white perspective and have internalized their views towards AA." They see us as outsiders because they've been trained to see us that way by 'The Man.'
IllmaticDelta
Veteran
If some non-AA’s and off-brand AA’s feel that we’re whitewashed, then let them believe so.
They don’t seem to mind participating in or imitating this white washed culture of ours.
If some nikka’s wanna play the we’re Blacker then yall game, keep it 100 and separate from being all up in our shyt. Anything less is all talk.
