Why Adam Lanza Did It

[thekingsmen]

Read Law HR 5736 which states Fake News created by the U.S. is considered Legal.

The House passed the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act, which contains an amendment that would repeal the Smith-Mundt Act: a 1948 law that prevents the U.S. government from distributing propaganda at home. Alyona discusses the proposed provision with Michael Hastings, who broke the story. What is the significance of the amendment when the line between propaganda, and public relations has become increasingly blurred?

 

[godkiller]

1. I think the evidence surrounding his motive is poor and lacks comprehension to reality.

That's not persuasive evidence against Lanza doing what he did. He was sane and did what he did because he's twisted, just like so many before him. What he did wasn't the worst thing a person has ever done or will ever do. Now that's comprehension to reality for everyone except you, the apologists and the media. You're all in cohorts trying to absolve Lanza of responsibility.

The call to the radio show is not evidence he did it, nor is it evidence that it was Adam who call the radio show. There is no motive but the motive of those capitalizing on the sandy hook shooting. The same week $70,000 dollars go missing from the S.H. fund and yet to really not have people question it, they release this stupid article. This Lanza kid you claim was a loser still shows you believe he existed in this situation and did what he did. That right there tells me you won't research it yourself. The brother, nor the father has talked to the press since it happened. If S.H. is brought up every few months...why hasn't the Lanza family spoke up?

You could use this logic for any crime. How do I know murder happens if I've never see anyone murdered? Murder could just be a myth, right?

Lanza family isn't saying shyt because they know he was wrong.

2. Actually it does prove you can fake shyt. It's called Psy-Ops. You can create a chilling/emotional story around any situation to draw people in. Once you draw them in, you play the story-line non-stop for a few days to keep the same people thinking about it. Especially since it has to do with children. Using the Children agenda is the holy grail. Look what got people into the first Gulf War and look what almost started WW3 with the showing of gassed children in Syria. It's playing on people's emotions so they couldn't and will not think logically.

Sure, Psy-Ops exists but you have no persuasive evidence this was Psy-Ops. You can't just call every school shooting a fukking Psy-Ops because you thnk the white kid who did it couldn't have done it.

3. Why is their politics in one shooting and not another? Politics are in these shootings that are fake because it's easier to not ask the tough questions. This is why there is no real talk about Chicago in American Politics. All real victims.[/quote]

Read Law HR 5736 which states Fake News created by the U.S. is considered Legal.

The House passed the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act, which contains an amendment that would repeal the Smith-Mundt Act: a 1948 law that prevents the U.S. government from distributing propaganda at home. Alyona discusses the proposed provision with Michael Hastings, who broke the story. What is the significance of the amendment when the line between propaganda, and public relations has become increasingly blurred?

The fact this law exists still doesn't mean this was faked. By logic any crime or event could be called fake - after all, what evidence is there that it's NOT fake?

You are a idiot breh.

 

[Batter Up]

Cause the family hasn't come out and spoke on it...including the father. Plus no one on their block knew them. Not one person knew these people in the neighborhood. Nothing of the thin-scripted stories add up. No 20 year old weak muscled kid is going to carry a 100 plus rounds on him, mask himself and all black and then kill himself after that. Why mask yourself?

At least do some research before you disrespect the victims with this conspiracy theory garbage. Former teachers, classmates, and even his old cub scouts leader have all come out and spoke on him as well as countless people in Newtown who knew the Lanza family. That includes a bar that Nancy Lanza visited for over a decade where half a dozen of her friends were interviewed with many of them mentioning how they spoke to her on numerous occasions about her 'troubled son' over the years.

I'd break down what the odds would be of pulling off a hoax where literally tens of thousands of people would have to be involved but that tinfoil hat you're wearing has obviously cut off the circulation to your brain and robbed you of the ability to use common sense.

Good luck with your search for answers in your mothers basement you fukkin weirdo

 

[Liu Kang]

Doesn't sociopathy require an official medical designation based on face-to-face meetin and qualification? How do you know he's a sociopath? Because he's twisted? Guess what, most murderers are twisted and like violence. But many are not sociopaths or psychopaths.

Obviously, it needs medical diagnostic from a proper practician but.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...efee1c-56cb-11e3-835d-e7173847c7cc_story.html

By age 6, he was diagnosed with sensory integration disorder; he had difficulty interacting with others and recoiled at being touched. By middle school, he was identified as having Asperger’s syndrome, part of the autism spectrum. Nancy Lanza tried home-schooling and private school. Nothing worked.

Then from article in OP

We all knew Adam Lanza was twisted with mental illness. In my book, Newtown: an American Tragedy, I document, through almost a decade of his mother’s emails, Adam’s downward spiral as he gradually lost his tenuous connection to reality. In 2010, his illness became so severe he broke off relations with almost everyone in his life and secluded himself in his bedroom, where he spent lonely hours playing violent video games and obsessing over mass murderers.

However, what remained unknown was the harrowing depth of the despair and paranoia that fueled his delusions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder (Wikipedia for lack of better source)

Diagnosis
DSM-IV-TR
The APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM-IV-TR), defines antisocial personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B):
A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following::

1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
2. deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;

B) The individual is at least age 18 years.
C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.
D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode.
In the DSM-5, the diagnosis antisocial personality disorder is kept, but it is no longer on another axis as the other mental disorders.

ICD-10
The WHO's International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, tenth edition (ICD-10), has a diagnosis called dissocial personality disorder (F60.2):It is characterized by at least 3 of the following:

1. Callous unconcern for the feelings of others;
2. Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations;
3. Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them;
4. Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence;
5. Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment;
6. Marked readiness to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

The ICD states that this diagnosis includes "amoral, antisocial, asocial, psychopathic, and sociopathic personality". Although the disorder is not synonymous with conduct disorder, presence of conduct disorder during childhood or adolescence may further support the diagnosis of dissocial personality disorder. There may also be persistent irritability as an associated feature.

It is a requirement of the ICD-10 that a diagnosis of any specific personality disorder also satisfies a set of general personality disorder criteria.

It may not be medically diagnosed but IMO he fits the symptoms. But then again, it's not medically diagnosed.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Cause the is family hasn't come out and spoke on it...including the father. Plus no one on their block knew them. Not one person knew these people in the neighborhood. Nothing of the thin-scripted stories add up. No 20 year old weak muscled kid is going to carry a 100 plus rounds on him, mask himself and all black and then kill himself after that. Why mask yourself?

If this guy doesn't win worst HL poster for 2014, something is really wrong.

 

[Liu Kang]

@thekingsmen ,
In your opinion, there is no evidence he did it despite the books, the investigations, the facts and so on.
Ok, why not, well can you provide your evidence that he didn't do it then ?
Or is it

 

[Demon]

At least do some research before you disrespect the victims with this conspiracy theory garbage. Former teachers, classmates, and even his old cub scouts leader have all come out and spoke on him as well as countless people in Newtown who knew the Lanza family. That includes a bar that Nancy Lanza visited for over a decade where half a dozen of her friends were interviewed with many of them mentioning how they spoke to her on numerous occasions about her 'troubled son' over the years.

I'd break down what the odds would be of pulling off a hoax where literally tens of thousands of people would have to be involved but that tinfoil hat you're wearing has obviously cut off the circulation to your brain and robbed you of the ability to use common sense.

Good luck with your search for answers in your mothers basement you fukkin weirdo

 

[godkiller]

[quote="Liu Kang, post: 7035385, member: 1174"
By age 6, he was diagnosed with sensory integration disorder; he had difficulty interacting with others and recoiled at being touched. By middle school, he was identified as having Asperger’s syndrome.[/quote]

There are doctors and lawyers with Asperger's. Asperger's does not predispose one to crime either. Neither does sensory integration disorder, which is not the same as sociopathy or psychopathy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder (Wikipedia for lack of better source)

What for? He was never diagnosed with this disorder. Every antisocial white dude who sits in his basement doesn't have a disorder but for his own making.

It may not be medically diagnosed but IMO he fits the symptoms. But then again, it's not medically diagnosed.

And you can't armchair diagnose someone you've never met and whose habits you don't truly know, but it will be interesting to watch you try.

Diagnosis
DSM-IV-TR
The APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM-IV-TR), defines antisocial personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B):
A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following::

1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
2. deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;

B) The individual is at least age 18 years.
C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.
D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode.
In the DSM-5, the diagnosis antisocial personality disorder is kept, but it is no longer on another axis as the other mental disorders.

ICD-10
The WHO's International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, tenth edition (ICD-10), has a diagnosis called dissocial personality disorder (F60.2):It is characterized by at least 3 of the following:

1. Callous unconcern for the feelings of others;
2. Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations;
3. Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them;
4. Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence;
5. Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment;
6. Marked readiness to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

The ICD states that this diagnosis includes "amoral, antisocial, asocial, psychopathic, and sociopathic personality". Although the disorder is not synonymous with conduct disorder, presence of conduct disorder during childhood or adolescence may further support the diagnosis of dissocial personality disorder. There may also be persistent irritability as an associated feature.

It is a requirement of the ICD-10 that a diagnosis of any specific personality disorder also satisfies a set of general personality disorder criteria.

Simply having interaction troubles does not mean a person has dissocial personality disorder. You're armchair diagnosing a man who you've never met. This is the kind of stupid conformation bias I'm talking about. I don't even know he has most of these symptoms. Lanza wasn't violent; it's not clear he didn't or doesn't experience guilt or pleasure; it's not clear he is irresponsible. Most antisocial people have shared issues relating to their antisocial behavior but Lanza doesn't have all or most of what you're saying he does.

 

[Liu Kang]

There are doctors and lawyers with Asperger's. Asperger's does not predispose one to crime either. Neither does sensory integration disorder, which is not the same as sociopathy or psychopathy.

Well he may not be a sociopath medically speaking because he was not diagnosed but that doesn't mean he wasn't. Experts don't even agree about if you are born one or if you become one so the previous diagnosis don't necessarily count as exhaustive depending on which belief system you are.

I may have wrongly used the "sociopath" word but it was simply to qualify him as "crazy" with lack of basic social skills. I'm no medic nor I have any medical kknowledge so I may have lacked accuracy but that doesn't kill my point which was that it's not because most mass murderers kill for the thrill that this Lanza dude couldn't be mentally ill. We don't know because we can't know and that means that things could be either ways.

What for? He was never diagnosed with this disorder. Every antisocial white dude who sits in his basement doesn't have a disorder but for his own making.

Obviously again, but that doesn't mean dude was not. If one doesn't see a doctor, one can't be diagnosed.

And you can't armchair diagnose someone you've never met and whose habits you don't truly know, but it will be interesting to watch you try.

I was not trying to diagnose him, just highlighting features that it was said he had. I specifically added in my post the following which you purposely ignored : "It may not be medically diagnosed but IMO he fits the symptoms. But then again, it's not medically diagnosed.".
IMO meaning "In My Opinion" which was only that, an opinion.

Simply having interaction troubles does not mean a person has dissocial personality disorder. You're armchair diagnosing a man who you've never met. This is the kind of stupid conformation bias I'm talking about. I don't even know he has most of these symptoms. Lanza wasn't violent; it's not clear he didn't or doesn't experience guilt or pleasure; it's not clear he is irresponsible. Most antisocial people have shared issues relating to their antisocial behavior but Lanza doesn't have all or most of what you're saying he does.

That's your opinion. Again. Sociopaths aren't necessarily violent (violence is a possible trait not a required one) and we don't know for sure if had the condition but as you rightfully say it "it's not clear". So why are you so sure he wasn't ? I choose to believe he was a sociopath and that's my opinioin, good for me. You choose to believe he wasn't then good for you. He was white and committed a mass murder, does that mean he was like every white mass murderer ? Maybe. Maybe not. We won't know for sure and we can only stick with our opinions for lack of more info

Anyway, let's stop the back n forth here because it's not going anywhere and definitely not to an agreement.

 

[thekingsmen]

At least do some research before you disrespect the victims with this conspiracy theory garbage. Former teachers, classmates, and even his old cub scouts leader have all come out and spoke on him as well as countless people in Newtown who knew the Lanza family. That includes a bar that Nancy Lanza visited for over a decade where half a dozen of her friends were interviewed with many of them mentioning how they spoke to her on numerous occasions about her 'troubled son' over the years.

I'd break down what the odds would be of pulling off a hoax where literally tens of thousands of people would have to be involved but that tinfoil hat you're wearing has obviously cut off the circulation to your brain and robbed you of the ability to use common sense.

Good luck with your search for answers in your mothers basement you fukkin weirdo

I did the research.....did you?

1. Some Classmates haven't seen in since elementary school, some claim to be his classmates but never attended classes together. One named Alan Diaz said they went to high school together( sophomore year) in 2008. A. Lanza was in West Connecticut State University in 2008. Lies my friend. Made up. The neighbors didn't know him....period.






2. The Cub Scout Leader Marvin LaFontaine story is laughable because it truly is a shytty interview. He goes on saying he met the Mom Lanza in New Hampshire cub scout but can't tell us where. He had a attraction to the lady and hung out with her more than his wife, hence the divorce. He never really talked to the father, nor interact with him( odd). He claims to be a cub scout leader but can't tell you the merits or ranks of the cubs he was leading. He said he met Nancy in 1994 at cub scouts but Adam was born in 1992. Ryan is rarely mentioned. What is mentioned is that Nancy's brother was a police officer and yet, he has never been interviewed, nor comment on the so called tragedy. He doesn't mention anything in the article of the Mother being a loner or doomsday prep, she was outgoing. His interview claims Adam was disabled based off the type of schooling he was getting. He was diagnosed with Asperger in other reports but in the interview he was just shy and didn't talk.
That also undermines his teachers and classmates interviews.The interview mentions Adam never talked at all( was he mute?). Nothing in the interview showed any proof that the kid was off the rocker, weird but not crazy, then again the interview was horseshyt.

3. Why would this kid go to a elementary school( no connection to his life) to stage a attack on children? Why would he carry around a bullet-proof vest, mask if he was going to kill himself? How do you get the EMS and Police down at the school, if everyone is hanging out at the fire station. There is no pics of the brothers together.




Next time research first homie....so I don't have to school you.

 

[TLOL is back]

@ watching Lord Aldon trying to engage kingsmen and then slowly but surely realizing he is retarded. Every time I watch a poster go through this process for the first time I all over again

 

[thekingsmen]

@ watching Lord Aldon trying to engage kingsmen and then slowly but surely realizing he is retarded. Every time I watch a poster go through this process for the first time I all over again

@Lord Aldon is a cool poster who is asking questions and is engaging me with a respectful manner. I tip my hat off to him. You on the other hand can't debate and stay getting sonned by me. This is why you avoid me in subjects. You probably still get nightmares off me lighting your ass up in sohh.

 

[thekingsmen]

That's not persuasive evidence against Lanza doing what he did. He was sane and did what he did because he's twisted, just like so many before him. What he did wasn't the worst thing a person has ever done or will ever do. Now that's comprehension to reality for everyone except you, the apologists and the media. You're all in cohorts trying to absolve Lanza of responsibility.



You could use this logic for any crime. How do I know murder happens if I've never see anyone murdered? Murder could just be a myth, right?

Lanza family isn't saying shyt because they know he was wrong.



Sure, Psy-Ops exists but you have no persuasive evidence this was Psy-Ops. You can't just call every school shooting a fukking Psy-Ops because you thnk the white kid who did it couldn't have done it.

3. Why is their politics in one shooting and not another? Politics are in these shootings that are fake because it's easier to not ask the tough questions. This is why there is no real talk about Chicago in American Politics. All real victims.

The fact this law exists still doesn't mean this was faked. By logic any crime or event could be called fake - after all, what evidence is there that it's NOT fake?

You are a idiot breh.[/quote]




1. He did what he did was highly impossible because a wimpy 20 year old carrying around 100 plus pounds of weight plus a vest to shoot children with no motive. That's not being a apologists, I just don't believe in fairy-tales.

1A. You can't use the logic on any crime. There are real victims and real crimes. Then you have Hollywood scripted crimes that aren't real and neither is the victims. Chicago has real examples...that's why it's avoided in the news.

2. The Lanza Family isn't saying anything because they don't exist.

3. You admitted Psy-Ops existed, yet you can't believe it could be used during situations like this? Shaping Public opinion has been around for years. Edwards Barneys wrote about it in the 1920's. Walter Lippman, Chomsky all wrote how the media has pushed agendas for corporations and governments. Now no one said all school shootings are faked. Only the ones in the last few years that capture about 3 days of all media non-stop. Where the story-line would change constantly during the air-time and there would be only a few victims families who would be the forefront of fake crying and easy forgiveness of the killer.

4. If the law exist, means it's possible to fake as much as possible to change public opinion. The evidence is there that it is faked. The evidence that it ever happened is not there.

 

[Consigliere]

@thekingsmen

1. if this shooting was staged to force radical gun control change, where are the new gun control laws? Where was the bill in the House/ Senate? What about the states that actually decreased gun regulations last year?

2. Where is the independent journalism to back up the claim that Adam Lanza doesn't exist or that he wasn't the shooter? We live in the Information Age and to suggest that such a massive hoax could be pulled off with no evidence of said hoax is borderline paranoid delusional behavior.

3. What makes you think that Black on Black gun crime isn't a political issue? In fact, historically and currently its a more effective policy making tool than random suburban school shootings, hence all of the police presence in our communities, the deferrals of school funding into prison funding, the massive incarceration rate for minorities, stop n frisk, stand your ground, etc, etc. All of that is politics, is it not?

 

[the cac mamba]

yoooo

im fukkin watchin this. this is fukkED