Who would you rather build around ,prime Kobe or prime Tim Duncan?

[Mic-Nificent]

Too many people respond to to flash more so than effectiness and impact and therefore do not understand this concept.

As far as Duncan dropping off quicker he also started up quicker. Duncan was a 20/10 All-NBA guy out the gate meanwhile Kobe took a couple years to even start. Pop has been conserving Duncan's minutes since he was in his late 20's and Duncan hasn't played more than 35 min per game since 04. And he's always been an unselfish team first guy. He's never even taken 20 shots per game for a season meanwhile Kobe has done it 11 times. I'm sure if he wanted to, Tim could play more minutes and take more shots but thats not him. Duncan's impact can't be fully quantified by the stat sheet.

Again, we're talking about these guys IN THEIR PRIME.

 

[Gravity]

It's always easier to build around a dominant big than a dominant perimeter player. That's simply the nature of the game.

Not always. There aren't any big men who I've seen that I would take over Mike and Magic. I didn't see a prime Kareem, Wilt, or Russell though.

 

[MrFantastic]

Like Hakeem who was drafted the same day as Jordan but didn't win his first ring until Mike already had 3?


Or David Robinson that didn't win his first until Pippen already had 6?




It seems like you are cherry picking your past examples

Hakeem made it in 86..
Kareem made in 71 I think
Shaq made in it year 2 or 3
Moses malone made to conf finals in like second season in the nba
Even Drob made it the conf finals with bums in like 3 or 4 yr

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Not always. There aren't any big men who I've seen that I would take over Mike and Magic. I didn't see a prime Kareem, Wilt, or Russell though.

I'd take Kareem over both of them.....I didn't have to see Prime Kareem to know that either because I saw Kareem in his late 30's/early 40's shytting on guys nearly half his age.

Magic also said an old ass Wilt dominated him in a pick up game.


Everything you could possibly ask of a player Kareem did. He scored, defended, rebounded, blocked shots, and could make his Free Throws.

 

[Gravity]

I'd take Kareem over both of them.....I didn't have to see Prime Kareem to know that either

Well that's the difference between you and I, I would have to ha seen Kareem play in his prime to make those kind of judgements. I saw him play during the late 80's too but that doesn't tell me how good he actually was. You say that he could do anything you asked of him, well so could Mike. Magic could as well.

 

[OG Talk]

In what muthafukking universe is making it to the NBA finals "moderate success"?

Google LeBron James' name any time before June 2012...

 

[YBE]

Yall asking the wrong questions...

As a GM, would you rather have had Kobe & Duncan or Kobe & Shaq

 

[Jplaya2023]

Yall grossly overplay that 2nd option bullshyt...Kobe was consistently logging more minutes than Shaq was during that period and was had to score as much as if not more than Shaq did at times.

I can give Duncan maybe two years of having to contribute more than Kobe but saying 8 years is a huge fukking reach. Those Spurs teams were WAY more balanced than the Lakers were.

I'm grossly overplaying something that's true? Playing more minutes means what exactly? Usually wings play more minutes than bigs because of foul trouble and conditioning. Am i missing something here? Shaq was clearly the first option, any other opinion is deemed ing


Being more balance != better team. Usually the team(s) that are top heavy win championship rings, check the history of the NBA

 

[FTBS]

Again, we're talking about these guys IN THEIR PRIME.

What I said was just as relevant to guys in their prime as this aka the post I was responding to.

The thing about Duncan though is that he had a quicker drop off than Kobe. Kobe is still an elite player in this league while Duncan is barely an elite player at his position at this point in his career.

 

[YBE]

I'm grossly overplaying something that's true? Playing more minutes means what exactly? Usually wings play more minutes than bigs because of foul trouble and conditioning. Am i missing something here? Shaq was clearly the first option, any other opinion is deemed ing


Being more balance != better team. Usually the team(s) that are top heavy win championship rings, check the history of the NBA

Can't have it both ways. You can't ask your teammate to average 27ppg to 35ppg multiple times in the playoffs, then when its time to write the history books write that nikka off as the waterboy. Sorry bruh. Kareem was an old fart when Magic got there. Pippen was clearly below Jordan. Hakeem? lol. Duncan? lol Bird? no. Nobody else besides Shaq had a future top 5-10 player as a running mate. Teams are supposed to have a clear hierarchy/division of labor. It was blurry as hell in LA & thats why the team blew up. Media perception tells us that Lebron & DWade are 1A & 1B..........and that Kobe & Shaq were 1 & 2 when in reality



2012 Playoffs
Bron - 30.4ppg on 50%, 10rb, 6ast
Wade - 23ppg on 46%, 5rb, 4ast

2002 Playoffs
Kobe - 29.4ppg on 47%, 7rb, 6ast
Shaq - 30.4ppg on 55%, 15rb, 3ast



Shaq was the most domineering player the league ever seen & of course, coaches planned for that and you could say Kobe only got off because of the double teams. Shaq had to still depend on Kobe to hit those shots though

 

[FTBS]

Can't have it both ways. You can't ask your teammate to average 27ppg to 35ppg multiple times in the playoffs, then when its time to write the history books write that nikka off as the waterboy. Sorry bruh. Kareem was an old fart when Magic got there. Pippen was clearly below Jordan. Hakeem? lol. Duncan? lol Bird? no. Nobody else besides Shaq had a future top 5-10 player as a running mate. Teams are supposed to have a clear hierarchy/division of labor. It was blurry as hell in LA & thats why the team blew up. Media perception tells us that Lebron & DWade are 1A & 1B..........and that Kobe & Shaq were 1 & 2 when in reality



2012 Playoffs
Bron - 30.4ppg on 50%, 10rb, 6ast
Wade - 23ppg on 46%, 5rb, 4ast

2002 Playoffs
Kobe - 29.4ppg on 47%, 7rb, 6ast
Shaq - 30.4ppg on 55%, 15rb, 3ast



Shaq was the most domineering player the league ever seen & of course, coaches planned for that and you could say Kobe only got off because of the double teams. Shaq had to still depend on Kobe to hit those shots though

A 32 year old MVP is an old fart now? nikkas really gotta stop disrespecting Kareem.

Shaq and Kobe didn't work out because they both acted like females and put their own personal issues over winning.

 

[Goatpoacher]

Shaq was the most domineering player the league ever seen

Please kill yourself.

 

[mvp_status]

Yall asking the wrong questions...

As a GM, would you rather have had Kobe & Duncan or Kobe & Shaq

Kobe & Duncan, if nothing else, because TD wouldn't act like a child when Kobe was ready to spread his wings.

 

[Broke Wave]

This is a funny thread because you're acting like this is a hypothetical. This has already happened and the Lakers went to 3 straight NBA finals.

Why do people go to such great lengths to discredit Kobe? I know he ruined the 00's with his 7 finals appearances, but you can't blame him for being successful. Ya'll are a very sad bunch.

 

[HiphopRelated]

This shyt ain't a slight, I would draft Timmy before any active player in the league