Who started it (Jews or Arabs?)

[thekingsmen]

First of all you must know the historical and biblical context.

1. Hebrews aren't Jews. Hebrews are Afro-Asiatic( Semite) tribes. Jews is term used to describe Ashkenazi's and Khazars in the late 1700's and early 1800's. That term didn't exist before those years.

2. Kingdom of Judea( Yudea) and Kingdom of Israel covered 90% land together. Yet Jerusalem isn't apart of the Kingdom of Israel...

File:Kingdoms of Israel and Judah map 830.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


3. It says in the Bible "And the sons of Ham, Cush & Mizraim & Phut & Canaan. "Genesis 10:6".

1. CUSH (Ethiopians / Cushytes & Nubians),
2. MIZRAIM (Egyptians / Khemet),
3. PHUT (Ancient Somalia),
4. CANAAN (Canaanite, the original inhabitants of the land of Israel)

None of those describe Jews of Europe.

4. Amos 9:7 says ""ARE YOU NOT AS CHILDREN OF THE ETHIOPIANS UNTO ME, O CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?".."

5. Lamentations 5:10 reads:

"OUR SKIN WAS BLACK LIKE AN OVEN BECAUSE OF THE TERRIBLE FAMINE."

So this already explains how White Supremacy uses this and tells others who is the land owners based off how they can manipulate historical and biblical facts.

Zionists aren't people who follow the book of the Torah...but the Talmud. Who you think started it?

 

[Shogun]

First of all you must know the historical and biblical context.

1. Hebrews aren't Jews. Hebrews are Afro-Asiatic( Semite) tribes. Jews is term used to describe Ashkenazi's and Khazars in the late 1700's and early 1800's. That term didn't exist before those years.

2. Kingdom of Judea( Yudea) and Kingdom of Israel covered 90% land together. Yet Jerusalem isn't apart of the Kingdom of Israel...

File:Kingdoms of Israel and Judah map 830.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


3. It says in the Bible "And the sons of Ham, Cush & Mizraim & Phut & Canaan. "Genesis 10:6".

1. CUSH (Ethiopians / Cushytes & Nubians),
2. MIZRAIM (Egyptians / Khemet),
3. PHUT (Ancient Somalia),
4. CANAAN (Canaanite, the original inhabitants of the land of Israel)

None of those describe Jews of Europe.

4. Amos 9:7 says ""ARE YOU NOT AS CHILDREN OF THE ETHIOPIANS UNTO ME, O CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?".."

5. Lamentations 5:10 reads:

"OUR SKIN WAS BLACK LIKE AN OVEN BECAUSE OF THE TERRIBLE FAMINE."

So this already explains how White Supremacy uses this and tells others who is the land owners based off how they can manipulate historical and biblical facts.

Zionists aren't people who follow the book of the Torah...but the Talmud. Who you think started it?

1. Your interpretation of Amos 9:7 is questionable. Most sources agree the translation is "Cushytes" not "Ethiopians".

Amos 9:7 "Are not you Israelites the same to me as the Cushytes?" declares the LORD. "Did I not bring Israel up from Egypt, the Philistines from Caphtor and the Arameans from Kir?

Believe what you will, but its hardly substantial proof.

2. Lamentations 5:10 is no proof. The passage says their skin was black like an oven BECAUSE OF THE TERRIBLE FAMINE. In other words, it was not natural. It was the result of famine. If their skin was naturally black why even mention it?

example:
Russian famine victims

Also, that's all I'm going to contribute to this. If I've learned anything around here its that debating someone who uses the Bible as factual historical evidence is an exercise in futility.

 

[thekingsmen]

1. Your interpretation of Amos 9:7 is questionable. Most sources agree the translation is "Cushytes" not "Ethiopians".

Cush is Ethiopian. Do your history.



Amos 9:7 "Are not you Israelites the same to me as the Cushytes?" declares the LORD. "Did I not bring Israel up from Egypt, the Philistines from Caphtor and the Arameans from Kir?

Believe what you will, but its hardly substantial proof.

Different versions doesn't change the fact Cush( Ethiopians) are in it.


2. Lamentations 5:10 is no proof. The passage says their skin was black like an oven BECAUSE OF THE TERRIBLE FAMINE. In other words, it was not natural. It was the result of famine. If their skin was naturally black why even mention it?

example:
Russian famine victims

Where is their skin black in this picture?



Also, that's all I'm going to contribute to this. If I've learned anything around here its that debating someone who uses the Bible as factual historical evidence is an exercise in futility.

You failed to read East African History which proved my point.

 

[Blackking]

If my grandparents were evicted from their home when my father was a baby.. should I now at age 28, come back to the street, go into the house, get into one of the beds and set the current home owners on fire if they have a problem with me being there?

The Jews weren't wrong for wanted to migrate back to that area. No nation on Earth wanted them due to their manipulate of financial institutions, mentality, treatment of Christians, and/or their overall griminess. However, to go back into the area, push people out then oppress and terrorize them for decades is evil.

Besides, both sides have historical ties to the land.

 

[Blackking]

And yeah... Hebrews weren't these people that we are discussing today. I don't know what these people are. If the world powers were going to create a nation for the 'Jews', why do it for these European imposters?

 

[Da_Eggman]

If my grandparents were evicted from their home when my father was a baby.. should I now at age 28, come back to the street, go into the house, get into one of the beds and set the current home owners on fire if they have a problem with me being there?

The Jews weren't wrong for wanted to migrate back to that area. No nation on Earth wanted them due to their manipulate of financial institutions, mentality, treatment of Christians, and/or their overall griminess. However, to go back into the area, push people out then oppress and terrorize them for decades is evil.

Besides, both sides have historical ties to the land.

your a fukking moron

 

[Shogun]

If my grandparents were evicted from their home when my father was a baby.. should I now at age 28, come back to the street, go into the house, get into one of the beds and set the current home owners on fire if they have a problem with me being there?

The Jews weren't wrong for wanted to migrate back to that area. No nation on Earth wanted them due to their manipulate of financial institutions, mentality, treatment of Christians, and/or their overall griminess. However, to go back into the area, push people out then oppress and terrorize them for decades is evil.

Besides, both sides have historical ties to the land.

The financial institution they manipulated was that the Roman Catholic church decreed usury to be a sin in the middle ages.

Throughout the middle ages Jews were the minority in Europe. Living in small, isolated sections of the continent which they were forced to live on by the Romans. You really think they were the ones doing the mistreating?

Google "pogroms", or read Martin Luther's "On the Jews and Their Lies". They were the grimy ones?

you're a fukking moron

this

 

[Brown_Pride]

Come on, this is becoming a weekly thing with this thread being made. I'll merge this later.

accept there's a subtle difference between my thread and the other crap that goes on. My point and motive are simply to TRY to get down to the root. I don't care who shot whom last week or blew what up, but really I wanted to know the underlining causes on both sides. Still haven't really been answered

 

[Brown_Pride]

so again back to the ACTUAL FUKIN QUESTION. ...
who started it?

Is there a single point where a person can say "XYZ happened THEN 123 happened"

?

Or is it just, as i suspect, a fuked up situation?

No trolling just really want to give my son as direct an answer as possible.
If that answer is long i don't care but ultimately i'd like to NOT fill his head with pro or anti anything, just facts...ya digs?

 

[No1]

accept there's a subtle difference between my thread and the other crap that goes on. My point and motive are simply to TRY to get down to the root. I don't care who shot whom last week or blew what up, but really I wanted to know the underlining causes on both sides. Still haven't really been answered

No there isn't. Not in the least. The only reason I didn't merge this is because the last discussion we had was with a dude creating a thread called, "Let me tell you everything..." It wouldn't make sense merging the two. But it's why you have a thread now with people trolling and the guys who participated in that thread (Epic and I) no longer responding. It's not a knock, but there's only so many times you can write down the history of the conflict.

 

[Brown_Pride]

No there isn't. Not in the least. The only reason I didn't merge this is because the last discussion we had was with a dude creating a thread called, "Let me tell you everything..." It wouldn't make sense merging the two. But it's why you have a thread now with people trolling and the guys who participated in that thread (Epic and I) no longer responding. It's not a knock, but there's only so many times you can write down the history of the conflict.

i hear you on the derailing that's not my doing. I could give a fuk if Ethiopians are black jews or what not.

I'm not asking for a history of the conflict just the "opening credits" if you will. Ideally speaking it'd be nice to be able to come up with an agreed upon version of what really happened, even if it means having to ignore/delete troll posts.

 

[No1]

http://www.the-coli.com/higher-lear...itics-foreign-policy-economy.html#post2293251

View that thread and Epic and mine's back and forth.

Who started it depends on your definition. If you want to be technical than I guess Zionism started it when the Jews first immigrated to the area.

 

[zerozero]

why are you confused Brown Pride? what's the ambiguity? I told you zionism started it from my first post in this thread. But nationalism in general and world war I and ww2 were involved as palestinians wanted freedom as well

the whole romans etc ancient stuff is part of a different backdrop it's not related to the arabs

 

[bigesco]

Judaism started with Abraham who was from northern Iraq / Turkey.

There were already Palestinians living in Palestine

 

[bigesco]

What happened in 48 is what matters most , and that was a foreign army of varying nationalities conquering a nation and stealing land from the original inhabitants and holding them hostages ever since.