your looking at it all wrong. From the roman perspective they didn't displace anyone that was there land they conquered and they did with it what they pleased. And the only person who has claim on the land is whoever can hold it.
Who started it (Jews or Arabs?)
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your looking at it all wrong. From the roman perspective they didn't displace anyone that was there land they conquered and they did with it what they pleased. And the only person who has claim on the land is whoever can hold it.
first of all those biblical stories are not totally supported by archeology and it's not like every jewish person has an uninterrupted descent from some guys in this region X,000 years ago. but even if they were my answer is no, you can't just run up into some place that was your ancestral country of origin. do you think hundreds of thousands of australians can just land in the UK like "what's up!"? take British homes over, replace the city/village names like it's all good?
Brown_Pride
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I hear ya so based on this line of thinking Israel has claim to it so long as they can hold on to it. (i don't totally disagree).
American's did that to indians. Romans to just about everyone right?
Why not?
i'm partially playing the devils advocate i'm really not sure what is the right answer btw, just thinking out loud if you will.
In terms of starting it though if the UN "gave" the land to the Jews do they have a right to be there. I know there's other lands they've since "taken" or built settlements on, but in general the land/ country of Israel, does it have a right to exist?
the 20th century is too late for getting away with genocide and ethnic cleansing, friend
you couldn't do what the europeans did to america today without people having a problem with it
not to mention that north america was huge wide open spaces even though it was settled. that is to say you could actually take big portions of land that nobody would notice. palestine was nothing like that. it's a tiny place full of people.
As far as your question about whether Israel has the right to exist. I think it's a moot point. They're there now
they have a right to live in peacethat is the way it really works. But the victims(losers) will always play that card "well they stole our land we have rights to it". The only rights they have is the right to fight for it which i don't disagree with. I believe the UN was dead wrong for placing them there instead of giving them land in Europe but they have every right to fight for it now that they are there.
the 20th century is too late for getting away with genocide and ethnic cleansing, friend
you couldn't do what the europeans did to america today without people having a problem with it
not to mention that north america was huge wide open spaces even though it was settled. that is to say you could actually take big portions of land that nobody would notice. palestine was nothing like that. it's a tiny place full of people.
As far as your question about whether Israel has the right to exist. I think it's a moot point. They're there now
people can have a problem with it but the question is will they do anything about it. We are forgetting Rwanda?
Brown_Pride
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the 20th century is too late for getting away with genocide and ethnic cleansing, friend
you couldn't do what the europeans did to america today without people having a problem with it
not to mention that north america was huge wide open spaces even though it was settled. that is to say you could actually take big portions of land that nobody would notice. palestine was nothing like that. it's a tiny place full of people.
As far as your question about whether Israel has the right to exist. I think it's a moot point. They're there now
Who's to stop it? If you say the international community isn't this the same community that gave Israel the land in the first place?
Question: Did the Arabs in the area provoke any of this?
This is just getting to some sort of essentialism though. "Who's to stop me" is really the only right answer to most questions of "is this doable".
Not sure what you mean by provoke. The arabs weren't all totally friendly with the new guys if that's what you mean. The beef was already there even while it was under British control.
Seems you didnt get the point of that remark
Guess not. It was a rather vague remark open to interpretation.
Techniec
Drugs and Kalashnikovs
youre right. essentially my point was to expose the israeli narrative of its arab resisters being terrorists
Come on, this is becoming a weekly thing with this thread being made. I'll merge this later.
Agreed.
I honestly can understand both sides' claim to the land. I just see it as an unfortunately development where everyone (Muslims, Jews, Christians) share the blame.
As far as a solution...who knows. It's too bad that no peaceful solution seems possible.
Techniec
Drugs and Kalashnikovs
I understand that Jewish people have a state, theyve build it, they have an emotional and religious connection, and historical linkages. I can dig that.
I dont dig the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Pops taught me to despise thiefs and bullies and thats why Israel is.
The only thing I'd add in defense of Israel is that those people have been the bullied for thousands of years. Bullied by Mesopotamia, bullied by Egypt, bullied by the Romans, Europeans, Russians, etc. Jews as bullies is a fairly new phenomenon, and if I were in their shoes I would have a certain "fukk everyone else" mentality too.