Who really was in the wrong for the Daniel Puder-Kurt Angle situation?

[mrken12]

And for the back story:

On November 4, 2004, episode of SmackDown!, taped in St. Louis, Missouri, during an unscripted segment of Tough Enough, Kurt Angle, a former American amateur wrestler and 1996 Olympic gold medalist, challenged the finalists through a squat thrust competition.[13][14] Chris Nawrocki won the competition, and the prize Nawrocki won was a shoot match against Angle.[15] Angle quickly took Nawrocki down, breaking his ribs, then made him submit with a neck crank.[15] After Angle defeated Nawrocki, Angle challenged the other finalists.[15] Puder accepted Angle's challenge.[15] Angle and Puder wrestled for position, with Angle taking Puder down, however, in the process, Puder locked Angle in a kimura lock.[14][15][16] With Puder on his back and Angle's arm locked in the kimura, Angle attempted a pin, one of two referees in the ring, Jim Korderas, quickly counted three to end the bout, despite the fact that Puder's shoulders were not fully down on the mat, bridging up at two.[14][15][16] Puder later claimed he would have snapped Angle's arm on national television, if Korderas had not ended the match.[15] Dave Meltzer and Dave Scherer gave these following comments:

“ It was real. If you don't follow fighting, Puder had Angle locked in the Kimura, or keylock as Tazz called it, although Tazz didn't let on the move was fully executed. Not only was Angle not getting out of the move, but most MMA fighters would have tapped already. Angle couldn't tap for obvious reasons. The ref counted a three even though Puder's shoulders weren't fully down, trying to end the thing, because the reality was Angle would have been in surgery had it gone a few seconds longer or had Puder not given up the hold. ― Dave Meltzer[14][16] ”


“ As you would expect, Kurt Angle was less than happy backstage at Smackdown after almost being forced to tap out to Tough Enough contestant Daniel Puder. Downright ticked off would probably be the best way to describe his mood. The unscripted nature of the contest was the main reason that Angle was made to look so bad since Puder just reacted to the situation and could have forced Angle to submit had the referees not thought quickly and counted a pin that wasn't there on Puder. ― Dave Scherer[14]

So Angle was working stiff but when someone else did the same, it became a problem. Was he just supposed to get his ass kicked?

Plus Angle just broke someone's ribs so he wasn't playing around.

 

[Golayitdown]

He should have broken his arm and I'm an Angle fan

That type of shyt should never fly in a fake sport on TV.

 

[Libra Lady]

Kurt. He was doing too much and ended up caught off guard. Meh.

 

[Slystallion]

I vaguely remember this whatever happened to the Pruder dude was he blackballed after that...if so that's shameful

 

[Cuckkleberry Finn]

challenge a guy to a real fight in a fake sport and be mad when he beats you breh

 

[Slystallion]

challenge a guy to a real fight in a fake sport and be mad when he beats you breh

Dude was probably high off of pain killers

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

The company as a whole is at fault, so I guess it goes to Cokeboy. What was the segment even supposed to be? Real or fake? If it's fake then someone needs to tell Puder that, who is basically a rookie in training, beforehand, otherwise you can't blame him for going out there and doing his thing. Did Angle think it was a shoot? Did he think they were told it was fake? So many questions, but WWE probably just threw out them out there without any real instructions on what to do.

 

[CM_Burns]

It's hard to say if Kurt's wrong or not, but Puder wasn't wrong for what he did imo. Kurt claims his body was so fukked up he couldn't do 10 pushups at the time, and that this was supposed to be worked shooting, but it's hard to say whether that's true or not.

 

[El Poyo Loco]

The company as a whole is at fault, so I guess it goes to Cokeboy. What was the segment even supposed to be? Real or fake? If it's fake then someone needs to tell Puder that, who is basically a rookie in training, beforehand, otherwise you can't blame him for going out there and doing his thing. Did Angle think it was a shoot? Did he think they were told it was fake? So many questions, but WWE probably just threw out them out there without any real instructions on what to do.

This. There's so many questions and if Angle and Puder thought the segment was real or fake that's the agents,writers and Vince fault. I think both where lost in translation so neither are really at fault.

And this Smackdown was taped too and they aired this instead of a retake.

This lies with the E

 

[TheGreatShowtime]

It's Cokeboy's fault for not capitalizing off it.

 

[Pinyapplesuckas]

Its Vince McMahon or whoever greenlit that segment's fault. You DO NOT put pure rookies in the ring with veterans without at least the instruction to go down fast and submit.

They put them out there damn near on some Brawl For All shyt....they're lucky Kurt's arm/shoulder didnt get demolished.

 

[Ill Lou Malnati]

Kurt was being a dikkhead and got what he deserved.

I know the wrestlers didn't appreciate the TE guys because they didn't "pay their dues", but if they were so angry, they should've taken that up with Vince.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

The company as a whole is at fault, so I guess it goes to Cokeboy. What was the segment even supposed to be? Real or fake? If it's fake then someone needs to tell Puder that, who is basically a rookie in training, beforehand, otherwise you can't blame him for going out there and doing his thing. Did Angle think it was a shoot? Did he think they were told it was fake? So many questions, but WWE probably just threw out them out there without any real instructions on what to do.

Angle broke the first dudes ribs...if it was fake he made it real and everything after that was fair game.

 

[Silkk]

Imagine how big a star Puder would've been had this happened in the UFC or any other smart company

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

i've never seen this before

so the guy thought it was a shoot and really put angle in a submission?