Who had it worse, the native american or the African American?

[K.O.N.Y]

Okay so what? For the purposes of this thread, as EXPLICITLY stated in the first paragraph take into account African descendents of south America and the islands. It's not hard, other posters did it. Kthnxbye

The correction needed to be made. Half these posters are not even african american as evident by the poll results

 

[Brown Ant]

The earliest record of African and Native American contact occurred in April 1502, when the first enslaved African arrived in Hispaniola. Some escaped inland on Santo Domingo; those who survived and joined with the natives became the first circle of Black Indians.[7][8] In addition, the first example of African slaves' escaping from European colonists and being absorbed by Native Americans was recorded in 1526. In June of that year, Lucas Vasquez de Ayllón established a Spanish colony near the mouth of the Pee Dee River in what is now eastern South Carolina. The Spanish settlement was named San Miguel de Gualdape. Among the inhabitants were 100 enslaved Africans. In 1526, the first enslaved African fled the colony and took refuge with local Native Americans.[8]


Intermarriage between enslaved African and Native Americans began in the early 17th century in the coastal settlements.[10] In 1622 Native Americans overran the European colony of Jamestown. They killed the Europeans but brought the African slaves as captives back to their communities, gradually integrating them.[11] Interracial relationships occurred between African Americans and members of other tribes in the coastal states.[10] Several colonial advertisements for runaway slaves made direct reference to the connections which Africans had in Native American communities. For example, "Reward notices in colonial newspapers now told of African slaves who 'ran off with his Indian wife' or 'had kin among the Indians' or is 'part-Indian and speaks their language good.'"[12][13]

In South Carolina, colonists were so concerned about the possible threat posed by the mixed African and Native American population that was arising due to runaways, that they passed a new law in 1725. This law stipulated a fine of 200 pounds for persons bringing a slave to the frontier regions. In 1751 South Carolina passed a law against holding Africans in proximity to Native Americans, which was deemed detrimental to the security of the colony.

In 1726 the British governor of colonial New York exacted a promise from the Iroquois Confederacy to return all runaway slaves. He required the same from the Huron tribe in 1764 and the Delaware tribe in 1765.[11] Despite their agreements, the tribes never returned any escaped slaves.[11] They continued to provide a safe refuge for escaped slaves. In 1763 during Chief Pontiac's uprising, a Detroit resident reported that Native Americans killed whites but were "saving and caressing all the Negroes they take." He worried lest this might "produce an insurrection." Chief Joseph Brant's Mohawk in New York welcomed runaway slaves and encouraged adoption of them into the tribe and intermarriage.[11] The Native American adoption systems knew no color line.[11] Carter G. Woodson notion of an escape hatch from slavery proved correct: Native American villages welcomed fugitive slaves and some served as stations on the Underground Railroad.[11]

During the transitional period of Africans' becoming the primary race enslaved, Native Americans were sometimes enslaved at the same time. Africans and Native Americans worked together, lived together in communal quarters, produced collective recipes for food, and shared herbal remedies, myths and legends. Some intermarried and had mixed-race children.[14] Ads asked for the return of both African American and Native American slaves. Some Native Americans resented the presence of Africans.[15] In one description, the "Catawaba tribe in 1752 showed great anger and bitter resentment when an African American came among them as a trader."[15]

European and European-Americans actively tried divide Native Americans and African Americans against each other. "Whites sought to convince Native Americans that African Americans worked against their best interests."[16] Europeans considered both races inferior and made efforts to make Native Americans and Africans enemies.[17] Native Americans were rewarded if they returned escaped slaves, and African Americans were rewarded for fighting in Indian Wars.[17][18][19] European colonists told the Cherokee that the smallpox epidemic of 1739 was due to disease brought by African slaves, to create tension between the groups.[20] The British tried to restrict contact between Africans and Native Americans. They feared Native Americans taking enslaved Africans as spouses and tried to discourage trade between the groups. The British also passed laws prohibiting the carrying of slaves into the frontier of the Cherokee Nation's territory to restrict interactions between the two groups.[20] Some tribes were said to encourage marriage between the two groups, to create stronger children from the unions.[21]

In 1758 the governor of South Carolina James Glen stated:

It has always been the policy of this government to create an aversion in them Indians to Negroes.[20]

In the 18th century, some Native American women turned to freed or runaway African men due to a major decline in the male population in Native American villages. At the same time, the early enslaved African population was disproportionately male. Records show that some Native American women bought African men as slaves. Unknown to European sellers, the women freed and married the men into their tribe. Some African men chose Native American women as their partners because their children would be free, as the child's status followed that of the mother. The men could marry into some of the matrilineal tribes and be accepted, as their children were still considered to belong to the mother's people. As European expansion increased in the Southeast, African and Native American marriages became more numerous

You read something on the internet you hope to be true and automatically deem it as fact, you're clueless

 

[Blackking]

You read something on the internet you hope to be true and automatically deem it as fact, you're clueless

idk y i would hope this to be true...... but I do know that ur a racist troll who isn't to be taken seriously. For some reason I thought that u were banned, I guess not.

Either way, this info isn't only online... read some books.

 

[Brown Ant]

idk y i would hope this to be true...... but I do know that ur a racist troll who isn't to be taken seriously. For some reason I thought that u were banned, I guess not.

Either way, this info isn't only online... read some books.

You're a racist troll who needs to be banned. And it's funny how you say it's in some books like that makes it any different. History books have been revised and changed in reverse in multiple countries, you need to use your head. Native Americans didn't like Africans without the word of mouth of Europeans. You should talk to some real Native Americans instead of listening to that pro black trash that you read that's biased and not factual.

 

[Blackking]

You're a racist troll who needs to be banned. And it's funny how you say it's in some books like that makes it any different. History books have been revised and changed in reverse in multiple countries, you need to use your head. Native Americans didn't like Africans without the word of mouth of Europeans. You should talk to some real Native Americans instead of listening to that pro black trash that you read that's biased and not factual.

Pro black = trash?

Either-way, I didn't know that Wikipedia was pro black.

I didn't know that native americans today unanimously hold all the same opinions, values, and ideas that they held in the 1700's.

I didn't know that all historians were pro black.

I didn't know that Pro Black = Racist.

I didn't know the Dawes commission was pro black

I didn't know southern governors in the 1700's were black nationalist....

I didn't know that William Loren Katz was Pro Black

I didn't know that the History Channel and PBS were both black militant organizations..

shyt, I didn't even know any of that....... I guess you can learn something from racist trolls that hate black people

 

[Brown Ant]

Pro black = trash?

Either-way, I didn't know that Wikipedia was pro black.

I didn't know that native americans today unanimously hold all the same opinions, values, and ideas that they held in the 1700's.

I didn't know that all historians were pro black.

I didn't know that Pro Black = Racist.

I didn't know the Dawes commission was pro black

I didn't know southern governors in the 1700's were black nationalist....

I didn't know that William Loren Katz was Pro Black

I didn't know that the History Channel and PBS were both black militant organizations..

shyt, I didn't even know any of that....... I guess you can learn something from racist trolls that hate black people

I don't get it. Why is it okay for you to call white pride trash but it's not okay to call pro black trash? You said that pro white is racism before, but pro black isn't?

 

[Blackking]

I don't get it. Why is it okay for you to call white pride trash but it's not okay to call pro black trash?

Ive never called white people trash.... white pride isn't the same as that - and CAC are the architects of white pride and pushers of societal fukkery.

black pride is love for black people with no history of hanging /raping white people in mass and oppressing the white diaspora in modern times.

white pride and white greed is responsible for the only thing comparable to- Mongolian conquest and native American genocide.

 

[MostReal]

And by native american I am referring to all of America, not just north America. By African American I would include all enslaved African within the diaspora.

In the left corner we have the native american, whose conquered lands we live on and call home. Untold millions of whom were killed and forcefully relocated to make room for the early settlers. The lasting effect of this are generations of alcoholics living on reservations. Let's not forget them being one of the first major victims to biological warfare. How many millions were killed with blankets infected with smallpox? How can we forget the cruelty of Hernando Cortez, who enslaved natives to extract gold. Whose men would test the sharpness of their weapons by slicing women and children in half. How about the forgotten tribes of the Arawak and Taino, who were wiped out in the name of Christ. That ain't even the half of it

In the right corner we have the Negro. Who was forcefully taken from their homeland of Africa and enslaved in cotton and sugar cane plantations for hundred of years. Who were packed like sardines in ships and transported like cattle. How many millions died during the middle passages? A people who were stripped of their name and religion and given new ones. Women ripped from their children to be sold as cattle. Forced to work countless hours and fed the unedible parts of animals, like the intestines, tongue and tail. Experimented on with no sedatives, by experimented I mean cut open, examined for their body parts, veins and all. New medical instruments tried on them like forceps etc. Even after death, their bodies were not allowed to rest. They were dug up out of the grave and sold to Universities in the name of science & the medical industry for use. Only to see statues of the butchers who performed such acts in the Colleges they attend. After hundreds of years of torture, rape and abuse are finally given "freedom", only to be treated as second class citizens and forced into a race where the other runners were given a 400 year head start

I'm generalizing a bit, but the point is who had it worse? And why?

just had to add that, carry on guys

 

[MostReal]

I don't get it. Why is it okay for you to call white pride trash but it's not okay to call pro black trash? You said that pro white is racism before, but pro black isn't?

Pro-black isn't Racist you tool

you have already had White Leaders throughout America's History. You run the entire WORLD you don't need 'white' leaders, you aren't being oppressed. You act as if black people have no right to talk about issues regarding us Black folks. This is the jedi-mind trick that has hurt us more than anything....we don't call anything regarding us black anymore. We always try to include 'everybody' or every minority in our stuff. Sorry, being black is exclusive. We are the only non-immigrants people in this country with our type of problems. Never hear this crap about Gays, Asians, or Hispanics. Stop it.

'Black' Leader is appropriate & yes I'm for Black People along with other folks as well...but Black people comes 1st.

if you don't want black people to talk about black issues then tell America give us our rightful reparations or

 

[rantanamo]

I have some native american relatives, and man I think they had it worse. Some of the larger tribes have been able to keep some culture, but man some of them were just wiped up and have a hard time with cultural identity. I will say that I think today, the white man probably sees them in a better light and has more sympathy to their plight than they do with black Americans.

 

[usopp]

I have some native american relatives, and man I think they had it worse. Some of the larger tribes have been able to keep some culture, but man some of them were just wiped up and have a hard time with cultural identity. I will say that I think today, the white man probably sees them in a better light and has more sympathy to their plight than they do with black Americans.

We usually get viewed and treated like trash by white peebles. But i seen them treat black people and hispanics just as bad

 

[Deafheaven]

we are. I live in Minnesota and those indians are caking. Go to Shakopee and its nothing but huge houses and rich natives. You not seeing a community like that full of black people ever.

 

[Marvel]

Black people have it the worst...Native Americans got land, reparations, free education, virtually taxless, owned blacks as slaves, all fought for the Confedracy, received money for finding or killing runaway slaves.Most people that have membership to Native Americans tribes are white people that bought into the membership when the government let them form "Nations" and receive the reparations.

I went on a few dates with a Native American girl and she was doing well. She only worked part time and received an additional $25k+ a year tax free from the government for being Native American, free healthcare for her and her kids and she received additional help for housing. She was cadilllacin for real.

Why do you think so many whites claim to be part Native American? I can't tell you how many cacs have told me that are part Choctaw, Blackfoot, and Cherokee. I don't really believe them either, but if they are..they are definitely seeing some of the those benefits on the low especially in the casino hustle that Natives get to partake in. You saw how the Cherokee Nation, which is the biggest of all Native Americans nations kicked out all the black people a few months ago but all the white some stayed. Native Americans were taught to hate blacks to protect their own self interest. Don't ever feel sorry for these people and not consider the plight of your own.

 

[Kritic]

after reading marvel's post above this thread needs to be evaluated. it's not about who had it worse. we're all past that. but are we? indians don't have it bad now. black people still do. so black people HAVE and HAD it worst cause it continues to this day.

 

[Deafheaven]

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pretty much this. they caking here ridiculously just for existing. Nowhere in America just a black person have such a birthright just because of their blood. you say well what about the ones not well off? well they no different from a nikka in the hood. so no sympathy for em at all today.