"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

[Wargames]

They treated them like they was the Washington Generals

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

Even Corey was amazed by Robinson block.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

It worked for Toronto, Milwaukee and Miami so who knows. Also we are top ten in defense so this may work long term

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

It worked for Toronto, Milwaukee and Miami so who knows. Also we are top ten in defense so this may work long term

Drop defense was brought up earlier in the thread wen the Knicks played the Mavericks last time. Drop defense invites guards to the midrange too and that's why Luka killed us because he's one of the few guards who is elite at it (plus he's posting up now too), but for the most part most guards aren't gonna kill you enough from midrange to make you care. Also it allows defenders to stay home on shooters too, so you don't have to worry about kick out threes and rotations as much. In a lot of ways it's the defense best suited for our team. Mitch being so athletic and rangy takes away a lot of opportunities for the roller too. Really the only counter to drop defense is to have an elite ballhandler or have the screener pop out for three to keep the defense honest. Teams can try setting screens with their guards too for a counter, but we play closer to the level of the screen when they do usually.

 

[RickyGQ]

Drop defense was brought up earlier in the thread wen the Knicks played the Mavericks last time. Drop defense invites guards to the midrange too and that's why Luka killed us because he's one of the few guards who is elite at it (plus he's posting up now too), but for the most part most guards aren't gonna kill you enough from midrange to make you care. Also it allows defenders to stay home on shooters too, so you don't have to worry about kick out threes and rotations as much. In a lot of ways it's the defense best suited for our team. Mitch being so athletic and rangy takes away a lot of opportunities for the roller too. Really the only counter to drop defense is to have an elite ballhandler or have the screener pop out for three to keep the defense honest. Teams can try setting screens with their guards too for a counter, but we play closer to the level of the screen when they do usually.

It clearly works on bad teams. Our issue is Thibs doesn’t adjust well and that’s why we look so poor against good teams. If we’re getting blitzed by the 3 ball, adjust to something different.

 

[Ironman]

Drop defense was brought up earlier in the thread wen the Knicks played the Mavericks last time. Drop defense invites guards to the midrange too and that's why Luka killed us because he's one of the few guards who is elite at it (plus he's posting up now too), but for the most part most guards aren't gonna kill you enough from midrange to make you care. Also it allows defenders to stay home on shooters too, so you don't have to worry about kick out threes and rotations as much. In a lot of ways it's the defense best suited for our team. Mitch being so athletic and rangy takes away a lot of opportunities for the roller too. Really the only counter to drop defense is to have an elite ballhandler or have the screener pop out for three to keep the defense honest. Teams can try setting screens with their guards too for a counter, but we play closer to the level of the screen when they do usually.

We've been cooked from 3 by multiple teams

 

[storyteller]

Drop defense was brought up earlier in the thread wen the Knicks played the Mavericks last time. Drop defense invites guards to the midrange too and that's why Luka killed us because he's one of the few guards who is elite at it (plus he's posting up now too), but for the most part most guards aren't gonna kill you enough from midrange to make you care. Also it allows defenders to stay home on shooters too, so you don't have to worry about kick out threes and rotations as much. In a lot of ways it's the defense best suited for our team. Mitch being so athletic and rangy takes away a lot of opportunities for the roller too. Really the only counter to drop defense is to have an elite ballhandler or have the screener pop out for three to keep the defense honest. Teams can try setting screens with their guards too for a counter, but we play closer to the level of the screen when they do usually.

The danger is that all the elite teams of the East have someone that can exploit drop coverage. Tatum can hit that midrange, so can KD, Mitchell and Garland can break it down, Harden/Embiid pick and roll/pop can exploit it too. So it's an effective coverage, but I don't trust it in a playoff series against the teams we'll have to beat.

I'm speculating though. Grimes makes a difference, and if we can add a bit of punch to the bench, then maybe it's good for enough stops to ride Brunson's clutch play.

 

[RickyGQ]

The danger is that all the elite teams of the East have someone that can exploit drop coverage. Tatum can hit that midrange, so can KD, Mitchell and Garland can break it down, Harden/Embiid pick and roll/pop can exploit it too. So it's an effective coverage, but I don't trust it in a playoff series against the teams we'll have to beat.

I'm speculating though. Grimes makes a difference, and if we can add a bit of punch to the bench, then maybe it's good for enough stops to ride Brunson's clutch play.

Kuzma was definitely auditioning last night.

 

[storyteller]

 

[Wargames]

The danger is that all the elite teams of the East have someone that can exploit drop coverage. Tatum can hit that midrange, so can KD, Mitchell and Garland can break it down, Harden/Embiid pick and roll/pop can exploit it too. So it's an effective coverage, but I don't trust it in a playoff series against the teams we'll have to beat.

I'm speculating though. Grimes makes a difference, and if we can add a bit of punch to the bench, then maybe it's good for enough stops to ride Brunson's clutch play.

They need to add a forward who iso wing defender, who is passable on offense. Someone who can make those star wings inefficient. I seen a few promising prospects in the draft who should be in the Knicks range in the late teens or early 20’s.

Even then grabbing the best rookie for the job means that rookie probably won’t see legitimate minutes until the season after next. Trading may not even be an option. The money they are paying Rose and Fournier today may be the money they are paying IQ and Grimes tomorrow.

 

[DPresidential]

Let's stop with the narrative, brehs.

These are professional athletes in peak shape.

 

[In The Zone '98]

Let's stop with the narrative, brehs.

These are professional athletes in peak shape.

Sims should be the back up center.

I wonder how much Paul George would cost?

 

[Wargames]

Let's stop with the narrative, brehs.

These are professional athletes in peak shape.

To be fair that average includes when Thibs was running a 10-11 man rotation. He’s ramped up the minutes during the last month as he shortened the rotation and they are now putting up league high minutes. The recent Mavs game alone puts those stats in perspective.

It’s a risk but there isn’t anything that will be done if the alternative is losing. The coaching staff and FO got to make the playoffs to secure there job, I don’t think there is anyone on the market they particularly want to trade for to expand the rotation, and they ain’t taking games off because let’s be honest nobody plans to be in the playin.

 

[Knicksman20]

To be fair that average includes when Thibs was running a 10-11 man rotation. He’s ramped up the minutes during the last month as he shortened the rotation and they are now putting up league high minutes. The recent Mavs game alone puts those stats in perspective.

It’s a risk but there isn’t anything that will be done if the alternative is losing. The coaching staff and FO got to make the playoffs to secure there job, I don’t think there is anyone on the market they particularly want to trade for to expand the rotation, and they ain’t taking games off because let’s be honest nobody plans to be in the playin.

Exactly! Let's not act like this was done out of the kindness of his heart. He was forced to play these younger guys but now he's slipping back into bad habits like you said with the minutes load on the starters. I'm not trying to jinx us but someone's bound to get seriously hurt with the mins he has them logging. And we'll all be pissed because most of us saw it coming.

Thibs's coaching style is not sustainable in the long run as we've seen in Chicago & Minny

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Let's stop with the narrative, brehs.

These are professional athletes in peak shape.

That’s not telling the whole story. For example, last 12 games (since December 12th) Randle has played 35+ mins each game, with 5 of those games he played 40+.

Same goes for Brunson who played 35+ mins each game the last 12 (not counting the 3 he missed).