"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

[tremonthustler1]

Cant both things be true? He was not all that when he was here, AND getting two second round picks for him is disappointing. Also I expect him to do much better in Indiana, but I don’t expect him to turn into a superstar overnight either.

It’s not a Knox and Frank situation talent wise, but he was still a bad pick in hindsight

the biggest issue in hindsight was holding onto Toppin once Randle got his shyt together and secured his extension.

Obi is a casualty of the fallacy that is "well let's build such and such's value up and then we can trade him" Randle went from overpaid bum who argues with fans and dogs it half the time to 2nd team all NBA and the guy who got traded wasn't the guy whose value you were hoping to raise to be traded. If Randle goes back to 21-22 Randle while Obi is catching lobs from Haliburton, y'all ain't gonna take it too well.

 

[RickyGQ]

all fair points. the only thing i wouldve liked to seen him do is run pick n roll. i swear i cant remember one time we ran it with obi


pick n pops, pick n roll with randle, anything at all besides sitting in the corner wouldve been great to see, but oh well.

We’d need Mitch out the lane but we don’t even run them for him so…

 

[RickyGQ]

Ideally yes, the Knicks trade Randle. And not that Obi can replace his production, but getting rid of Randle is addition by subtraction. His attitude sucks and he shrinks in the playoffs. I've been over Randle.

But we all know the Knicks aren't trading Randle because Thibs has a love affair with him.

So ultimately just be patient. Why rush and trade Obi for two worthless picks? If anything just hold until the right deal comes along. Or you figure out a way to better utilize him. But to trade Obi for basically nothing is pointless.

True. I’ve said this before but Randle is in this really weird space where he’s to good to give away but not good enough to get you a good return. Young/rebuilding teams wouldn’t see him as a piece to build with and contending teams don’t think he’s a piece that can put them over the top.

You trade Obi so he can get paid. We’re not gonna pay him and he’s not going to increase his value here in one year. It was a bit self serving cause Leon’s son is Obi’s agent and the more money he gets next summer the more Leons son gets paid.

 

[RickyGQ]

the biggest issue in hindsight was holding onto Toppin once Randle got his shyt together and secured his extension.

Obi is a casualty of the fallacy that is "well let's build such and such's value up and then we can trade him" Randle went from overpaid bum who argues with fans and dogs it half the time to 2nd team all NBA and the guy who got traded wasn't the guy whose value you were hoping to raise to be traded. If Randle goes back to 21-22 Randle while Obi is catching lobs from Haliburton, y'all ain't gonna take it too well.

I’m not scared of that happening unless Brunson goes down for significant time (knocks on wood)

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Guys, it's gonna be okay. Our backup PF just hit the market:

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

So the extension was the reason. I guess we back to going after O.G anouby?

 

[Wargames]

So the extension was the reason. I guess we back to going after O.G anouby?

Fred Katz said the offer for OG was Fournier and picks. They didn’t want to give anyone up of value and offered a rebuild trade package, The issue is Masai is the type to say “this is what I want” and not to negotiate. He is also the type willing to just let someone walk. I know everyone is counting minutes, but if someone doesn’t play in a 10 man rotation that just mean the rest of team is just that much better.

Waiting forever for a star to drop is what fukked up that Kyrie Celtics team. They kept waiting for AD and look at them now. Sending Smart out in a KP trade…..

 

[Wargames]

Guys, it's gonna be okay. Our backup PF just hit the market:

Lakers or the Suns should jump at that….

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

He could also play backup 4. I didn’t even know the Knicks were a serious player.

 

[Wargames]

He could also play backup 4. I didn’t even know the Knicks were a serious player.

Probably a S&T. Not a horrible signing, though I think he is a goof, and not that good…. Rumor is the Celtics want a first round pick to do the S&T.

 

[RickyGQ]

Guys, it's gonna be okay. Our backup PF just hit the market:

No thanks to both.

 

[RickyGQ]

Fred Katz said the offer for OG was Fournier and picks. They didn’t want to give anyone up of value and offered a rebuild trade package, The issue is Masai is the type to say “this is what I want” and not to negotiate. He is also the type willing to just let someone walk. I know everyone is counting minutes, but if someone doesn’t play in a 10 man rotation that just mean the rest of team is just that much better.

Waiting forever for a star to drop is what fukked up that Kyrie Celtics team. They kept waiting for AD and look at them now. Sending Smart out in a KP trade…..

We don’t have any ticking time bombs like Kyrie though. We’d be so lucky to be perennial contenders like Boston.

 

[Wargames]

We don’t have any ticking time bombs like Kyrie though. We’d be so lucky to be perennial contenders like Boston.

We sort of do, and that time bomb is Brunson’s and Randle’s extensions where either or both might leave, OR they may get paid so much we know it’s a matter of time before RJ, IQ, Mitch, or Grimes does the same.

The issue with that team and this team is NBA depth above rookie contract deals. History doesnt shyt on Ainge enough for what he wasted their because Hayward got injured but even when he was sort of back at that time their rookie deal stars were still great

Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

Smart
Marcus Morris
Robert Williams

And a ton of picks. It wasn’t a championship team but that to me was still their best team in the Tatum/Brown era. They could have done things to improve that team, using draft picks but kept hoping for AD and ended up drafting people they couldn’t use.

Next season they bring in Kemba, Enes Kanter, and Fournier. The Knicks aren’t as stuck on Embiid as Ainge was on AD, but it don’t matter who they want if that AD level player doesn’t come, and it’s harder to pull those trades now than back then.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

This was the deal the Clippers wanted for PG. The extension was the breaking point

 

[Wargames]

This was the deal the Clippers wanted for PG. The extension was the breaking point

I hope Leon told them to Suck his dikk. No wonder Hahn said that shyt ain’t happening.