"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

[Wargames]

“In an interview with The New York Times, Paul repeatedly said that Mat Ishbia, who recently acquired the team, and Isiah Thomas, the Hall of Fame point guard who is close with Ishbia, “wanted to go in a different direction.”

Chris Paul Found Out About the Suns’ Trade From His Son (Published 2023)

Paul, a 12-time All-Star, was on a promotional tour for a book he wrote about his grandfather and his N.B.A. career.

www.nytimes.com

Ya’ll thought I was joking about Isiah Thomas and the Suns

 

[storyteller]

you can be ass for 3 seasons in a row.


That pick wouldn't have gone to you this year and that's if your protections were at the lightest.

Look at their roster.


Short of the 8th pick becoming everything we think Wemby will be impact-wise, where is the talent coming from? The next 2 freshman classes are LIGHT on talent. They're gonna have to discover every Jokic, Giannis and Draymond over the next 3 years to lose that pick.

There are only 4 teams in the league that have missed the playoffs more than 3 years in a row, and 4 teams that have missed the playoffs 3 years in a row. It's not all that common for a team to be complete ass for 5 years running, which is what Washington would be doing. The lack of teams sucking for long stretches makes sense too. GM's can't just build teams to suck long-term. They have to show progression to avoid getting fired.

Plus that's using making the playoffs as a barometer. They could miss the playoffs and still have the pick convey. They don't need to draft the next Giannis to avoid being a bottom ten once in a three-year span. They just need a desperate gm with a crapload of cap space that needs to show his owner results. They're in a pretty good position to have that happen.

 

[storyteller]

Chris Paul Found Out About the Suns’ Trade From His Son (Published 2023)

Paul, a 12-time All-Star, was on a promotional tour for a book he wrote about his grandfather and his N.B.A. career.

www.nytimes.com

Ya’ll thought I was joking about Isiah Thomas and the Suns

Maybe we should hold on to our assets for that to inevitably become a dumpster fire under Zeke...Booker might shake free sooner than we thought .

(disclaimer: I'm kidding...unfortunately, we've run out of time to wait things out. It's get a star in the next year or so, or re-sign our guys and move forward with the same roster only cap locked beyond exceptions).

 

[tremonthustler1]

There are only 4 teams in the league that have missed the playoffs more than 3 years in a row, and 4 teams that have missed the playoffs 3 years in a row. It's not all that common for a team to be complete ass for 5 years running, which is what Washington would be doing. The lack of teams sucking for long stretches makes sense too. GM's can't just build teams to suck long-term. They have to show progression to avoid getting fired.

Plus that's using making the playoffs as a barometer. They could miss the playoffs and still have the pick convey. They don't need to draft the next Giannis to avoid being a bottom ten once in a three-year span. They just need a desperate gm with a crapload of cap space that needs to show his owner results. They're in a pretty good position to have that happen.

if the Wizards fire Winger after 3 years because it's not progressing fast enough, then their expectations are unreal. That roster as it stands isn't capable of a quick turnaround unless they hit pay dirt a couple of times. Remember when the Nets had that period after Billy King traded everything and they were horrible for the next 3 years til they started hitting on picks and UDFA's? The Wizards are the beginning of that.

 

[Big Mountain Hélà]

I got to agree, Beal would have been a tough out as a first or second option here.

Never had a chance

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Never had a chance

Cac excellence, opulence, decadence

 

[storyteller]

if the Wizards fire Winger after 3 years because it's not progressing fast enough, then their expectations are unreal. That roster as it stands isn't capable of a quick turnaround unless they hit pay dirt a couple of times. Remember when the Nets had that period after Billy King traded everything and they were horrible for the next 3 years til they started hitting on picks and UDFA's? The Wizards are the beginning of that.

Y'all keep framing this as a quick turnaround. If a gm can't get his team to be one of the top-21 in the league after 3 years then he probably should be fired. More importantly, in the real world they virtually ALWAYS get fired if they're that bad for that long.

It's easy to be bad for 3 years. But it's hard to do that and keep your job. Especially if they're about to come into a bunch of cap space. The same way New York HAD to sign a Randle to have something to show for dumping Melo; inevitably Winger will have to have something to show for giving Beal's contract away and whatever ensuing moves he makes.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Y'all keep framing this as a quick turnaround. If a gm can't get his team to be one of the top-21 in the league after 3 years then he probably should be fired. More importantly, in the real world they virtually ALWAYS get fired if they're that bad for that long.

It's easy to be bad for 3 years. But it's hard to do that and keep your job. Especially if they're about to come into a bunch of cap space. The same way New York HAD to sign a Randle to have something to show for dumping Melo; inevitably Winger will have to have something to show for giving Beal's contract away and whatever ensuing moves he makes.

New Yorkers have a different level of tolerance for being bad for that long. This is a franchise that has been begging for a plan one way or another. Now that they have, he's gonna get every chance to do it. If there's expectations to be a playoff team in that short a time period, then dealing Beal was pointless. The Wizards are gonna have a bunch of cap space. If it's being used to take on garbage with picks attached, then at least it's being used constructively. I don't think the Wizards' fans are gonna pressure Winger into landing 2 max guys just to get back into play-in conversation.

As long as the picks hit, the wins and losses are secondary now.

 

[Wargames]

Never had a chance

does every agency basically run a FO? Knicks are CAA, Lakers Klutch, Suns Bartlestein….

 

[Wargames]

Cac excellence, opulence, decadence

Aka CaC nepotism

 

[Derek Lee]

Hopefully they do something meaningful this Thursday. Last year's draft was a complete waste of opportunity.

 

[Wargames]

Hopefully they do something meaningful this Thursday. Last year's draft was a complete waste of opportunity.

All they’ve done is work out guys who might go undrafted. I don’t expect them to do anything, outside of maybe getting a mid range second rounder if they run into someone they really like.

They are blessed with depth. They just need different looks.

 

[storyteller]

If there's expectations to be a playoff team in that short a time period,

There isn't. That's what I keep trying to say. Being 21 out of 30 in the league doesn't require making the playoffs. It doesn't even require making the play-in

That's what I keep trying to say. There's "we're going to rebuild for the next few years" and then there's "we are going to absolutely suck for the next three years." One of those is acceptable and keeps a GM's job, the other gets him fired. Neither requires the playoffs, but one of those does require actual progress by year three.

 

[Wargames]

I’m telling ya’ll get prepared for very little happening this Summer.

 

[Wargames]

Considering he is Klutch it would be interesting but very unlikely….