White Supremacy racism is the main thing that holds back this country.

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The fact that white people are so deathly afraid to address that racism and white supremacy is the biggest problem threatening not only world peace, but the impediment of progress and upward innovation in America shows that it is the biggest problem in America today.

The fact that white people are so quick to DEFLECT from race to class (as if the 2 aren't intricately intertwined given the history of each other) shows how uncomfortable they are addressing the elephant in the room.
This is exactly what’s happening right now with these mass shootings. 100% of the people killing school aged children and the elderly are white males but we have yet to see a single media outlet question why white males keep doing this.

We all know what the narrative would be if these mass murders were commuted by blacks, Muslims, etc. They keep deflecting to “gun control” when every race of people in America can buy the same guns yet you don’t see any other group indiscriminately killing school children and elderly women grocery shopping.
 

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Let's change our paths to coming to a conclusion.

Option A: We get rid of white supremacy
Option B: We get rid of money in politics.

Which option will get you single payer free healthcare, and lowering the wealth gap?

I don't agree with you saying that's it's WS but at the of the day who cares.
The real important question that I care about is... is focusing on that going to solve the problem?

Saying WS is the problem for all that you mentioned is a path to nowhereland.
Getting rid of money in politics will have actionable consequences.

Do you disagree?



You sound like a Bernie Bro cac.


Anti Blackness is at the heart of all of the social ills of this country it's baked in.


The reason why cacs are so staunchly pro gun is because they fear and hate Black people.

And I could go on and on.

"Money in politics" won't do anything cac.




Your people just don't want equality with Black folks
 

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It'll get worse before it gets any better..

Cacs feel this is their moment, and they need to strike the iron now while its hot..they feel they've been restricted from being the supremacists they want to be and control everyone elses life and liberty.
Trump was the final catalyst, his banal primitive cac ways went mainstream and let cacs think they can turn the clock back to 1935.
 

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Sorry dude. I have to disagree and get tired of hearing that. :camby: White supremacy is only effictive because people let it. For example, when black people have demands it usually results in a march. When white folks want something done, they hire a lobbyist. You don't have to guess which one is more effective. Again, white supremacy is what it is because we play the wrong game and continue to do so.
I don’t understand how you’re disagreeing with that post? Everything he said is a historical fact, not his opinion.
 

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This is exactly what’s happening right now with these mass shootings. 100% of the people killing school aged children and the elderly are white males but we have yet to see a single media outlet question why white males keep doing this.

We all know what the narrative would be if these mass murders were commuted by blacks, Muslims, etc. They keep deflecting to “gun control” when every race of people in America can buy the same guns yet you don’t see any other group indiscriminately killing school children and elderly women grocery shopping.

Then, they would have to confront and check their own friends and family members. White Mothers and Fathers don't know how to engage their sons and daughters to talk to them about white supremacy and racism. And then, they would have to check their own family members and friends. They are not prepared to do it. They just say "treat everyone the same" or "I don't see color" completely avoiding the conversation altogether. And I know for a fact white people do NOT want to have those conversations. I know cause I have TRIED IRL to have those conversations with them and the responses are almost ALWAYS the same.

"I don't want to talk about this right now",
"This conversation is making me uncomfortable"
"It's not race it's class"
"Everybody has their own share of good and bad people"
"There are a$$holes in every race"...

They can't do it. They can talk all sorts of white pride ish and talk about how great it is to be white when they're amongst themselves behind closed doors...but let them get in front of a black person or several...and the lies and BS comes out.

"white privilege isn't real..."
"I gave away my white privilege"
"If you work hard and blah blah..."

And now...what the hell does that have to do with white supremacy and the violence that follows it and how it's a literal impediment to progress?
They spent so long trying to convince themselves they've changed...that the in your face pre Jim Crow era racism has been gone just because you see black people on TV and in movies and cause of Lebron and Oprah...but they can't confront the fact it's their own committing this evil against vunerable populations..so they have to try to project their own wrongs onto others...hence we get phrases like "black supremacy" and white people actively claiming their not responsible for the actions of other white people.
 

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The reason why cacs are so staunchly pro gun is because they fear and hate Black people.
At the end of the day, the second amendment should be viewed as nothing more than something to uphold and maintain white supremacy.

Keep in mind, at the point the constitution and bill of rights were written, slavery was still legal and a widely practiced institution. So technically, those documents have been framed for the rights of slave owning white men. So the second amendment in that regard was to establish protection for themselves in case of slave rebellions and uprisings.

They were long past the point of using arms to fight against a tyrannnical government.
 

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I sound like a simpleton if you don't get it. Yes whites who are mainly rich hire lobbyist. Still the way whites operate is different from blacks. Look at CRT in public schools. There was a collective effort across this country from parents going to school board meetings demanding something that isn't taught not be taught. In a short time they were successful. Correct me if I am wrong but what black issues have you seen have that type of success lately? My point is simple going back to the original context of this thread. It's what we don't do that keeps white supremacy they way it is.
Our black political class has completely sell us out we would have to take them down and build up a new one that would fight for us .

by BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon​


When black politics emanated from the streets, not the suites, it was a force against imperial war, for full employment, better housing and public education. But now, black politics is a hollowed out brand, an empty signifier deployed by black lobbyists and congresscreatures to cover whatever their corporate donors want, while the black political class ceaselessly celebrates the civil rights era to renew its own legitimacy.


Black Lobbyists, Black Legislators Leverage Their “Brands” For Banksters, Military Contractors, Corporate Interests​


by BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon​


Ever wondered what the staffers of Congressional Black Caucus members do after their stints on Capitol Hill? The answer, according to a Huffington Post article by Ryan Grim and Zach Carter , is they do the same thing most of their white colleagues do. They go to work for the big corporations which fund the careers of their former bosses. They become lobbyists for giant telecoms, for greedy banksters, for military contractors, for agribusiness, Big Oil, Big Pharma, big gentrifiers and the rest, all of which are finding their black faces and their ties to the Congressional Black Caucus, and the CBC itself especially useful these days.


With Republicans controlling the House and Democrats the Senate these days, Grim and Carter explain, the appearance of bipartisanship is everything. Any measure that passes the House with exclusively Republican support will go nowhere in the Senate, and whatever sails through the Senate on the votes of Democrats alone is guaranteed dead on arrival in the House. But when particularly nasty pro-corporate measures – the HuffPo article cites as examples bills to allow certain kinds of banned derivatives trading, and laws to aid for-profit schools and colleges – when legislative turds like this are passed with lots of Republican votes and a smattering of Democrats, especially black Democrats, the moral authority of the Congressional Black Caucus protects those measures from attacks by white liberals in the House, the Senate and among pundits, reporters and policy advocates as well.


Nobody nailed the sense of it better than Breaking Brown's Yvette Carnell, a black former Capitol Hill staffer herself, with the title of her piece riffing on the HuffPo revelations, Revealed: How the CBC Leverages Blackness to Work as a Tool for Wall Street.


But the identical phenomenon is at work not just in Congress, but in virtually every state legislature with more than a handful of black Democrats, on the governing boards of big counties and in city councils across the country. In Georgia where I live, a recent constitutional amendment designed to dissolve public schools and replace them with charters had substantial Republican support, but would never have passed without the support of key black Democrats with impeccable “civil rights” credentials, but deeply in the pocket of the charter and school privatization lobby. Whether the issue is the expanding the military budget and surveillance, building nukes in black communities, the potent combination of black lobbyists and black legislators provides vital cover to all kinds of corporate-friendly measures.


Nobody, as we at Black Agenda Report have observed many times before, celebrates the black Freedom Movement louder, longer, more often and more ostentatiously than the black political class, and this is why. It's not just that this struggle led to the concessions allowing the number of black elected officials to grow from a few hundred nationwide to more than ten thousand in forty years. The fact is, the black political class's appropriation of and ceaseless celebration of this era and its struggles – properly filtered and sanitized of course – constantly renews their store of moral legitimacy, keeping their sellout values high.


Politicians who consistently stand up for the poor and oppressed in the halls of power do not attract big campaign contributions, because everyone knows how they'll vote. Without big campaign contributions they cannot rise to legislative leadership, and their ambitious staffers will not rise either. To be a player, you gotta play, and to get the big money you've got to command a respectable price when you sell out. Many CBC members and their employees want desperately to be fixers and players, like those on the TV series House of Cards, and they've learned exactly how. CBC members, goaded by black lobbyists, have been so eager to cross the aisle and make deals that they have often been leading co-sponsors and supporters of odious measures attracting few other Democrats. Carter and Grim show that when CBC members jumped on board with Republicans, these measures become law, or influence regulators. When CBC members hang back, most other Democrats do the same.


As the Huffington Post article says, the moral legitimacy of the Congressional Black Caucus, and by extension that of the entire black misleadership class is nothing but a hollowed out brand. The article is full of quotes from staffers and lobbyists about this or that CBC member's “brand.” In plain English, brands are purposeful, deliberate, manipulative lies. Branding is a marketing strategy intended to evoke a given response in a target audience, summoning real or imagined memories, tastes, feelings or desires in order to get a response from the target audience which could not be obtained by appeals to fact or logic. When political players proudly admit among themselves that they are mere “brands”, black politics as a progressive force in these United States is over.


There was a time not so very long ago when black America was where the left lived. Black politics emanated from the streets, not the suites. This kind of politics from the bottom up projected demands to end unjust wars, for better housing, more aid to public education, public transit and the public sector in general, and for voting rights, so that a class of black elected officials might look to the interest of the black masses. Now that a prosperous, empowered and ambitious class of African American officials and lobbyists has been called into existence, it has flipped the script and turned black politics into a top-down affair. Black elected officials, from state and local level to the CBC and its staffers-turned lobbyists has become the hinge swinging the politics of the Democratic party and the nation ever rightward.


We said it a while back – black politics as we have known it is over, because black politicians and the black political class no longer believe justice or peace or full employment are possible. They haven't been working for us for a long time now.
 

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I wouldn't say that's entirely true, at least for spine of your points. There are some walkable cities but mostly every city was built long ago that now it's mainly just suburban expansion. It happens all over the country. Cookie cutter communities of single family homes spread out over miles and miles. I live in one myself. There's no need for public transportation since they built homes before building the transportation system. And that's if the place can even sustain a public transportation system. Some cities like NYC and Chicago have great public transport. I know others do too but I can't speak on them. But some cities don't have the infrastructure or capabilities to have better public transportation. Especially with public transportation being mostly in the inner city with more of a population and not the outer parts. Can't really build a train or monorail going into the suburbs with no land to build on, and a possible lack of users with everyone owning cars due to the huge distance between places. White countries like those in Europe have great public transportation and a lot of them are walkable. I know they got the trains connecting practically every country in Europe. But that was cuz those systems were built many years ago and it's easier back then before cities started to grow. And the countries are smaller and able to easily manage their systems. The train system here could be improved but how much use would it actually get? I know here in Florida they have the brightline train, which is expected to extend from south Florida to central Florida, but you still likely need a car or to rely on uber and lyft when you get up there. Same with other cities. They have the amtrak system as well. But are they even that popular or worth it? Looking at their map for example, you can go from Chicago to LA. But is it worth the time wasted in travel and cost? People have gotten used to not having good public transportation in many cities across America. I don't think much can be done to improve the system no matter if it's whites or any other group of people in charge.
 

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So we're just gonna ignore how 500+ years of wealth we built is being used against us in politics? Wealth inequality is intrinsically linked to white supremacy...
The reason we aren't getting reparations and people are so resistant to it is because if we got paid even a fraction of the total debt the American government has to descendents of slaves the whole political landscape would change. Fundamentally you're just proving the point you're arguing against.

I'm not saying ignore those years, I agree generational wealth is a thing no argument there.
But focusing on that will get you nowhere.
There's no victory in continuing this path, there's no endgame, there's no goal even.

Getting money out of politics is the only thing that will change things.
 

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At the end of the day, the second amendment should be viewed as nothing more than something to uphold and maintain white supremacy.

Keep in mind, at the point the constitution and bill of rights were written, slavery was still legal and a widely practiced institution. So technically, those documents have been framed for the rights of slave owning white men. So the second amendment in that regard was to establish protection for themselves in case of slave rebellions and uprisings.

They were long past the point of using arms to fight against a tyrannnical government.



Yeah I believe in owning fire arms because they have them.
 

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This is why I'll never respect Franklin Roosevelt

FDR and his Socialism programs in the 1930s and 1940s are the reason why White people are ahead economically in America. He made sure to pass down generational wealth to whites during the Depression
This. This is why when we bring up the convo of reparations, they always want to deflect the conversation to slavery reparations. The discriminatory/racist implementation of the new deal is what created the massive wealth disparity we see today. The Great Depression was like a reset button when it came to wealth in the black and white communities so they made sure to find a way to retain their economic head start.
 

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You sound like a Bernie Bro cac.


Anti Blackness is at the heart of all of the social ills of this country it's baked in.


The reason why cacs are so staunchly pro gun is because they fear and hate Black people.

And I could go on and on.

"Money in politics" won't do anything cac.




Your people just don't want equality with Black folks

Option A or option B.
You didn't answer the question.
And the video that you posted may be factual but what's that going to CHANGE?
Choose which option and then tell me how that's going to change anything.

If you choose a futile path then it's YOU who don't want equality.
 

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Some recommended reading...


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Another reason I gave up talking to white people about race was because I would recommend books like this to them and they would say '"I don't need to read that" like they knew it all already and their ignorant talking points didn't need to be unlearned.
 

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Option A or option B.
You didn't answer the question.
And the video that you posted may be factual but what's that going to CHANGE?
Choose which option and then tell me how that's going to change anything.

If you choose a futile path then it's YOU who don't want equality.


How was Nazism stomped out in Germany and why can't we use that same system to eliminate American White Supremacy ideation?
 

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Nope. Look up the Homestead Act and it's history. All of the parcels of land that they were given during westward expansion to achieve Manifest Destiny. Free of charge with the only stipulation that you had to build on and work the land. That's the moment that the poorer whites who owned nothing, who were relegated to a lower class and virtually disenfranchised by their white land-owning brethren, gained more assets that they never would have gotten beforehand. Free Black folk were largely excluded by this monumental land giveaway. Sh1t was never sweet for us but that's the moment that the scales were tipped to the point of (almost) no return.

Ownership of land will always be where the power resides because that's where the money resides.
Even to this very day they sabotage the few black farmers we have left. There was a news story and a thread made on here a while ago about how they sold black farmers fake seeds and they ultimately had to sell their land to their white competitors due to not being able to produce any crops.
 
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