White bernie-bro purity leftists are attacking hardworking black politicians

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Dems are polling worse than Trump and the Republicans. The same Trump that is historically at this point one of the least popular presidents of all time. Ironically polls still have Bernie beating Trump and Hillary would lose worse to him today than she did on Election Day and is less popular than he is.
 

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this thread kamala has no shot...and neither does Booker...incredible the Left cant come up with a suitable Black candidate
 

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Experienced, powerful, knowledgable leadership should be revered.

These socialist burlap bag wearing hippies need a dose of reality.

These are liberals working within the system.

Harris = Former AG of California.
Patrick = Former governor and powerful investor
Booker = Rhodes scholar, former mayor, and US Senator of a hugely important state


Y'all calling successful adults "establishment" now.

Fix your fukking faces.


:stopitslime: you can be succssfull and establishment too bruh. I fact, it is a requisite in most cases.
 

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Why leftists don't trust Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and Deval Patrick
The contest for control of the Democratic Party between left and center is continuing apace. The latest battleground is over a handful of minority Democrats being groomed by the centrist establishment to run for office: Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), and former Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick.

If the center wants to win over a suspicious left, they can start by clearly explaining their policy orientation, particularly in areas where they might have fallen short by the supposed standards of the modern Democratic Party — which all three of the above candidates have done in various ways. If they want to deepen divisions, they can use cynical accusations of bigotry to try to beat back any leftist challenger.

Let's take each in turn. The former attorney general of California, Harris is mistrusted by the left mostly because of her roots as a prosecutor. The Black Lives Matter movement has put anyone with law enforcement history under close scrutiny, and California's criminal justice system is notoriously brutal (though it has improved recently). While she is obviously no Jeff Sessions, Harris has sometimes displayed a rather Hillary Clinton-esque tendency to say the right thing but not follow through in a vigorous way. Most notoriously, she refused to prosecute Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin's old company OneWest for numerous instances of almost certain illegal foreclosure, against the advice of her own Consumer Law Section, and has so far refused to say why. (She was also the only Senate Democratic candidate to get a donation from Mnuchin himself in 2016.)

Booker is mistrusted because of his ties to Wall Street. Most notoriously, when President Obama attacked Mitt Romney during the 2012 campaign for his long career as a bloodsucking financial parasite, buying up companies only to strip their assets and drive them into bankruptcy, Booker defended Bain Capital on Meet the Press. Why? Because New Jersey is just across the river from Manhattan and both parties are drowning in Wall Street cash.

Patrick is least trusted of all because he actually works for Bain Capital as a managing director. If he were to run for president, as Obama's inner circle is apparently urging him to, President Trump would just have to copy-paste Obama's 2012 ads.

In other words, there are quite substantive reasons why a leftist might not trust any of those candidates. The probably accurate perception that all three candidates are being groomed by the same big-money donors that clustered around Hillary Clinton will only deepen the divide, because it suggests that — like pro-union rules, or the public option in ObamaCare — any adoption of Sanders-style proposals are mostly bait to be cast aside when it comes time to actually pass something.

If they want to win over the left — and Harris, who has expressed at least mild support for tuition-free public college (for families with income less than $140,000), a $15 minimum wage, expanded Social Security, and Medicare for all, would probably be the most credible person to attempt this — they need to first explain their recent history.

Second, and perhaps more importantly, they need to make a symbolic rhetorical break with the despised donor class. The left generally likes Elizabeth Warren because she ferociously criticizes Wall Street and corporate abuse. Adopting a harsh anti-economic elite line will reassure young Sanders Democrats that anti-establishment policies aren't just window dressing. Meanwhile, steps like refusing to take PAC money and running mostly on small donors will signal independence from the donor class (and as Sanders discovered, might actually lead to a gusher of campaign cash).

But if they just want to have a retread of the 2015-16 primary, the center could just try to win dirty. The left, they might say (working hand-in-glove with sympathetic columnists), just doesn't like minority or female candidates because they are racist and sexist.

I would bet quite a lot of money the centrist Democratic establishment will opt for the latter strategy. Indeed, some are already doing so — like Neera Tanden, head of the Center for American Progress, elite Democrats' in-house think tank.

That would be pretty rich coming from the crowd that shamelessly leveraged Islamophobia to keep Keith Ellison — probably the left's second-most trusted politician, after Bernie Sanders — out of the chair of the Democratic National Committee. Indeed, in other forums the left is simultaneously being criticized for being too sympathetic to radical Muslim and black activists. On Tuesday the neoconservative Bari Weiss lambasted leftists for, among other things, associating with the Muslim activist Linda Sarsour (for being anti-Zionist) and cast their praise of the exiled black radical Assata Shakur as love of a cop-killer — conveniently neglecting to mention that the reason people support her is their belief that she was framed for the murder.

That extraordinarily cheap attack at least has the actual history of social justice activism straight, in which the left has long been leading the charge and centrists following (often very far) behind.

At any rate, if I had to guess, I'd say we're in for a rather bitter fight for supremacy over the Democratic Party between big money elites on one side and Sanders Democrats on the other. But for actual individuals like Harris, it's worth considering the extremely weakened state of the party elite compared to 2013. Clinton's defeat completely shattered the elite's reputation for competence, and they will have a muchharder time beating back a left-wing challenger in 2020. Even on purely tactical grounds, it probably makes more sense to permanently throw one's lot in with the left.



































this isn't Abort begging white leftists for anything, it's about strategical thinking. nur strategy is something that militants habe a hard time to understand :yeshrug:
 

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Why are black people still democrats???:ld:

For me personally, it's like having the choice of being sold to the master that'll put you in out in the fields from sun up to sun down or until you die, or the master that'll let you sleep in the house and knit some clothes.

America is a modern day plantation. I hate being a slave but until I find a way off the plantation, I much rather be in the house. :yeshrug:

It's a sad reality but that's exactly how I look at both political parties.
 

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Her fukking state tried to pass universal health care and a Democrat blocked it.
Yeah because figuring out how to pay for it successfully is hard. Its easy to promise things and its hard to figure out logistics.

A majority of the country upwards of 70% support Medicare and Medicare for all polls favorably for a majority.
Supporting things is easy.

Doing them is hard.
Lastly there's just something called taking a principled stand instead of straddling the fence like a coward until something on the right side of history polls well enough that you feel like you can jump on the bandwagon and support it kinda like Obama and Hillary did gay rights.
Medicare isn't gay marriage. Don't do that.

The establishment, corporate Democrats that ultimately take their marching orders from high level donors and not the people themselves. They take large amounts of corporate money and the policies they push or don't push align with corporate interests.
Dems aren't socialists. Thankfully.

On top of that, there needs to be some principled push back against some of you all who want rainbows and fairies while ignoring that there are republicans who don't want ANY of this.

So you're trying to get things done in the law while republicans want NOTHING

At least in other countries the conservatives agree that healthcare for all is a right.

In the US you can't have a position where conservatives want to dismantle everything while the left has to fight all wings...you'd never get anything done.

Compromise is part of progress.


The Republican establishment can somewhat always fall back on issues like abortion, guns, religion as legislation, and selling poor people dreams. Establishment Dems have no real issues to fall back on. Nobody likes them and their base is abandoning them which is why Hillary lost. So much of their original base dropped support she couldn't even hold on to traditional blue presidential election states. The working class used to be their base but not anymore.

We have a message. Its the big tent of not being overly racist dikk bags who openly hate minorities or who aren't hardcore capitalists.
 

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Dems are polling worse than Trump and the Republicans. The same Trump that is historically at this point one of the least popular presidents of all time. Ironically polls still have Bernie beating Trump and Hillary would lose worse to him today than she did on Election Day and is less popular than he is.
Bitter medicine doesn't poll high either.

Theres people who still like Trump.

You're asking them for their opinion?

You want to cater to them?

You think the masses know something?

They're all fukking idiots. Don't respect them.
 

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How old are you super saiyan leftist black liberals?

Are any of you over the age of 30?
Im around a number of black professionals everyday...and none of them think/speak like the people I see on twitter and here.

When I think about it...I dont know any adult with a life/career that follows politics that closely.
 

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Yeah because figuring out how to pay for it successfully is hard. Its easy to promise things and its hard to figure out logistics.


Supporting things is easy.

Doing them is hard.

Medicare isn't gay marriage. Don't do that.

Dems aren't socialists. Thankfully.

On top of that, there needs to be some principled push back against some of you all who want rainbows and fairies while ignoring that there are republicans who don't want ANY of this.

So you're trying to get things done in the law while republicans want NOTHING

At least in other countries the conservatives agree that healthcare for all is a right.

In the US you can't have a position where conservatives want to dismantle everything while the left has to fight all wings...you'd never get anything done.

Compromise is part of progress.




We have a message. Its the big tent of not being overly racist dikk bags who openly hate minorities or who aren't hardcore capitalists.
Establishment Dems have lost almost all branch of government across the country from state to federal. Their way isn't working. People obviously don't want Republican lite they'd just rather have the real thing.

Since all you do is lose anyway and spend more time fighting progressives than the Republicans why not prop up a progressive and see how it fairs? Oh I know because the backers of the party would rather live with Republicans running everything than true progressives getting power.
 

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How old are you super saiyan leftist black liberals?

Are any of you over the age of 30?
Im around a number of black professionals everyday...and none of them think/speak like the people I see on twitter and here.

When I think about it...I dont know any adult with a life/career that follows politics that closely.
No one follows politics closely. The people that do are trying to form coalitions. Black people in real life don't sound like joy Ann reid either.
 

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No one follows politics closely. The people that do are trying to form coalitions. Black people in real life don't sound like joy Ann reid either.
Aren't you a lawyer?

You know damn well your "cohort" sounds like Joy Reid more than anyone else.

Dont lie on here

You and I know damn well what I'm talking about.
 
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