While watching the Puerto Rican day parade on TV

[Nintendough]

When did Rican become a race?


This thread happens twice a year

 

[Samori Toure]

How many kids in the South Bronx during the 70's heard of Griots from Mali?

How many people today know anything about where the music is from? Do you think some dudes listening to Hip Hop today knows any damn thing about Herc? Do you think many people know that Rock and Roll is a form of the Blues and that the Blues are from the Empire of Mali? Well it is.

The music is passed down.

 

[Jean Jacket]

When did Rican become a race?


This thread happens twice a year

Why the fukk is up with that La Raza garbage then champ?

 

[Nintendough]

Why the fukk is up with that La Raza garbage then champ?

That's them Ese's you idiot. Go outside

 

[Jean Jacket]

That's them Ese's you idiot. Go outside

Same shyt. Fight me.

 

[Lootha VanDraws]

werze de wimmenz?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You just posted a video of Grandmaster Caz to tell me that Puerto Rican’s we’re not around in the early days of Hip Hop. The assumption being that Grandmaster Caz was, yes? So if grandmaster Caz is what you’re staking your claim on, then....

I also posted charlie chase and dico whiz interviews

Whose son-doola is Caz? Charlie Chase, a Puerto Rican.


Whose son doola was Caz before that? Disco Wiz...a Puerto Rican.

they came later than caz to the hiphop scene

If your claim is that Grandmaster Caz is the authority on hip hop, and both of his big homies were Puerto Rican’s, then your entire premise is invalid.

caz was around the hiphop scene before them as a dancer.....they (ricans on the music tip) were invited in later

tony tone on charlie chase

So this is it, you woke up one day and said you are going to call your group the Cold Crush? Was Chase there yet?



Yeah. I told him we are going to call our selves the Cold Crush Crew! Than after awhile we said lets call our selves the Cold Crush Brothers,

because we are always going to treat our selves like brothers. So we changed it to that.



Cold Crush Brothers, Yeah I love it. I ain’t going to front kid, y’all was my favorite group. From day one. Aright, how did you come to the conclusion that Charlie Chase would always be the lead D.J. of the shows? Being as you were older, experienced and around before him, as well as being a very good d.j. yourself?



There was NO Hispanic hip hop D.J. representing at the time. So I said I am going to fall back and let him be the lead d.j.. Like I told Caz the other day, I could have went to him, because I knew him well back than, before he was down with us. I could have said Caz lets do this. I could have went to any other d.j. and said lets do this. But it wasn’t any Puerto Rican d.j.s representing on that level, back then.

Caz had Whiz, and d.j. S.w.a.t., he had a couple of Puerto Rican dudes down with him. They was alright but they didn’t take it serious like Chase did at that time. I told Chase this is it, you the man, because the Puerto Rican’s were in the party, and they had no real representative. So I said if we do it like this, we might corner the Puerto Rican’s and Blacks. I figured we would fill our parties. So I said that’s not a bad price to pay, to sit back, and really let him be show cased, to the point where Puerto Rican’s can say yeah we got somebody up in there, lets go represent for him.

http://www.thafoundation.com/tonytone.htm


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ruby dee (rican )

That’s right.



So I remember them giving me $87 in singles in the bathroom. I remember thinking I know they screwing me over by giving me a whole pack of ones so I don’t say anything, but that’s cool! (Ruby in a serious voice then says) Maybe I am wrong, maybe that did not go down like that. I just remember when we were in the bathroom when they paid me and I was like “look at these marenos, these black guys giving me all these ones to make it look like a big knot.” I thought about that. I am not going to deny it. I said “look at these mother f------! It’s cool (Ruby Dee is laughing now.) keep jerking me.” But I found out we were all getting paid equally later on. In the beginning, and I am just using a number, say if Kev and Rob got a hundred dollars for the show I would get eighty dollars!



Say word!



That was just for a couple of shows but after awhile I was like “hey when we were first doing parties it was all black crowds, but now you got all these Puerto Rican people coming to see me, they are not coming to see ya’ll or just ya’ll!” To shift gears for a minute, I remember saying “Va Ya!” And Kev said “Puerto Rico!” they said “Ho”! That’s how that was invented.

Do you remember any other Spanish emcees or D.J.s back then?



Charlie Chase, Disco Wiz….



Disco Wiz was Caz D.J. right?



Right, he was Puerto Rican. I really don’t remember any one else. Whip was probably out before me, but I got the credit of being the first Puerto Rican. When I got on stage you knew I was Puerto Rican! I talked Spanish on the mic.



Did you ever have Spanish rhymes?



Yeah we had one routine when we battled the Funky 4 at the Audubon Ballroom. We all had our own rhyme to say when it was your turn. When it was my turn I said in Spanish Ruby Dee the romantic and Kev said hold up and one by one Dot, Whip and Rob said hold up! Hold Up, Hold Up, Hold Up! Ruby Dee, Ruby Dee, Ruby Dee Ruby Dee this is not Puerto Rico this is America. Boom then I bust into Fantastic Romantic Five, and the whole crew would then come in.

http://www.thafoundation.com/ruby.htm


wiz, chase, whipper whip, ruby dee all came after the true "black" pioneers from 1971-74

 

[kingofnyc]

There is no point there. No matter what anyone points out to you then you will claim that they are shytting on NYC; and like I wrote before that is like a Country music fan claiming that somebody is shytting on Nashville for pointing out that Country music was created in the South on plantations by slaves who were originally from around the Kingdom of Mali; which is where the banjo is from.

You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine.

You’re still avoiding the main point and I waiting for you to address it

your original post stated James Brown started hip-hop ; thereafter I stated hip-hop is more than just music it’s a culture a culture that consist of five elements

music is indeed 1 outta those 5 and I already agreed that James Brown had some influence that 1 single element

So I’ll ask you one last time to explain how did james brown start hip hop ?

 

[HopeKillCure]

Yall really in here trying to move the goalposts again like Herc wasnt a Jamaican and sound systems didnt found yall shyte

We already have reggae so aint nobody trying to claim yall hip hop, like yall trying to give away to nonblacks

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Would it be fair and balanced to say Aframs appropriated stepping from South African miners?

Especially since we are West African descendants and have no cultural ties to South Africa.

Or because they are fellow black people it doesn’t count?

they didn't get if from them...stepping for back to the early 1900's and they were seeing south africans in any large numbers at that time

if anything, stepping comes from innate, african-derived, movements that came with slaves in the new world combined with newly created fusion dances that would lead to stuff like tap dancing











which shares things with a dance called the pattin juba/hambone

The Juba dance or hambone, originally known as Pattin' Juba (Giouba, Haiti: Djouba), is an African American style of dance that involves stomping as well as slapping and patting the arms, legs, chest, and cheeks. "Pattin' Juba" would be used to keep time for other dances during a walkaround. A Juba Dance performance could include:

• counter-clockwise turning, often with one leg raised
• stomping and slapping
• steps such as "the Jubal Jew," "Yaller Cat," "Pigeon Wing" and "Blow That Candle Out."

The dance traditionally ends with a step called "the Long Dog Scratch". Modern variations on the dance include Bo Diddley's "Bo Diddley Beat" and the step-shows of African American Greek organizations.[1]

and also,the ring shout

 

[3rdWorld]

So, whats the difference between Latinos and Cacs?
Because to me they love to piggy back off Black people and claim our intellectual property. They smile in your face, all the while trying to take your place..

and at Black people needing help from Latino's with Rhythm, song and dance

 

[kingofnyc]

The ricans in Vineland NJ and Florida are the most racist c00ns I've ever met. I'm talking right wing zealot type people.

are u sure ? cause u maybe mixing rican’s with cac cubans

 

[Huda2daf]

One of them, and I think it was Sigma Lambda Beta, was helped formed by a member of Phi Beta Sigma. Even taught them Sigma steps and rituals. It's whichever one that wears purple.

And if I'm not mistaken, most of them are Puerto Rican or Dominican.

It was kind of weird on my campus because mostly all the black students were affiliated with a BGLO. But it was a few black guys that were in Sigma Lambda Beta, and when we would see them we'd always give them the like whats up with you bruh? And it would always seem like they'd never look us directly in the eye, like they were ashamed.... like the black guys that you see on the street that be with fat unattractive white women.

They appeared to be a bit different from the few sell-outs that joined the white fraternities.

But they were Puerto Rican, and to them, their Latin identity superseded their blackness.

Damn u just described my cuz to a t. nikka so lost he wifed up the first Latin chick that came along. Bish already had 3 kids n shyt

 

[Jean Jacket]

are u sure ? cause u maybe mixing rican’s with cac cubans

Cubans are worse. Not all Ricans are like that. The suburban ones usually act like that.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You’re still avoiding the main point and I waiting for you to address it

your original post stated James Brown started hip-hop ; thereafter I stated hip-hop is more than just music it’s a culture a culture that consist of five elements

music is indeed 1 outta those 5 and I already agreed that James Brown had some influence that 1 single element

So I’ll ask you one last time to explain how did james brown start hip hop ?

musically speaking, james brown is the dna of hiphop. What we now think of as break beats (a specific type of drumming) didn't exist before Brown's funk formula. That's why you can't find any funky "breaks" for the most part before like 1965-1970





all these types of breaks came after james brown provided the formula