Which historical figures made you pause when you found out they had black ancestry?

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King Charles back in the 1700s and a significant amount of high nobles in his court.

Look up a fellow named John macky. He was a Scottish spy who infiltrated them and was noting detailed descriptions of many notable figures and their appearances.
 

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3. Classical music legend Joseph Bologne, Chevalier de Saint-Georges

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What black branch of the Portuguese royal family? :mjlol:


Yalll need to stop trying to force black people into European families when there ain’t any. Black people had our own royalties in our own countries. But some of you don’t think much of them so you invent shyt like this to feel good. Same way they’ll tell you ancient Chinese and Japanese were black :mjlol:

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Queen Charlotte (1744-1818), wife of the English King George III (1738-1820), was directly descended from Margarita de Castro y Sousa, a Black branch of the Portuguese royal house. The riddle of Queen Charlotte's African ancestry was solved inadvertently as the result of an earlier investigation into imagery of the Black magi featured in certain 15th century Flemish paintings of the Christmas narrative. A couple of art historians had suggested that they must have been portraits of actual contemporaries since the artist, without seeing them, would not have been aware of the subtleties in coloring and facial bone structure of individuals of African descent, which these figures invariably represented. Enough evidence has been accumulated to propose that the models were, in all probability, members of the Portuguese de Sousa family. Several relatives had accompanied their cousin Princess Isabella to the Netherlands when she arrived there in 1429 to marry the grand duke, Philip the Good of Burgundy.

At least 492 lines of descent can be traced from Queen Charlotte through her triple ancestry from Margarita de Castro y Sousa to Martin Alfonso de Sousa Chichorro, the illegitimate son of King Alfonso of Portugal and his Moorish mistress, Oruana/Madragana. Interestingly enough, in a gene pool that was comparatively miniscule due to royal inbreeding, it was from Martin Alfonso's de Sousa wife, Ines de Valladares, that the British queen inherited most of her African Islamic ancestry.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about with the last sentence. Some of you just like going off on a tangent due to your insecurities.
 

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Queen Charlotte (1744-1818), wife of the English King George III (1738-1820), was directly descended from Margarita de Castro y Sousa, a Black branch of the Portuguese royal house. The riddle of Queen Charlotte's African ancestry was solved inadvertently as the result of an earlier investigation into imagery of the Black magi featured in certain 15th century Flemish paintings of the Christmas narrative. A couple of art historians had suggested that they must have been portraits of actual contemporaries since the artist, without seeing them, would not have been aware of the subtleties in coloring and facial bone structure of individuals of African descent, which these figures invariably represented. Enough evidence has been accumulated to propose that the models were, in all probability, members of the Portuguese de Sousa family. Several relatives had accompanied their cousin Princess Isabella to the Netherlands when she arrived there in 1429 to marry the grand duke, Philip the Good of Burgundy.

At least 492 lines of descent can be traced from Queen Charlotte through her triple ancestry from Margarita de Castro y Sousa to Martin Alfonso de Sousa Chichorro, the illegitimate son of King Alfonso of Portugal and his Moorish mistress, Oruana/Madragana. Interestingly enough, in a gene pool that was comparatively miniscule due to royal inbreeding, it was from Martin Alfonso's de Sousa wife, Ines de Valladares, that the British queen inherited most of her African Islamic ancestry.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about with the last sentence. Some of you just like going off on a tangent due to your insecurities.

I’ve seen a weird subsection of people, sometimes Black that believe history doesn’t whitewash. And they only sources they believe are white folks lol. It’s weird.
 

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Queen Charlotte (1744-1818), wife of the English King George III (1738-1820), was directly descended from Margarita de Castro y Sousa, a Black branch of the Portuguese royal house. The riddle of Queen Charlotte's African ancestry was solved inadvertently as the result of an earlier investigation into imagery of the Black magi featured in certain 15th century Flemish paintings of the Christmas narrative. A couple of art historians had suggested that they must have been portraits of actual contemporaries since the artist, without seeing them, would not have been aware of the subtleties in coloring and facial bone structure of individuals of African descent, which these figures invariably represented. Enough evidence has been accumulated to propose that the models were, in all probability, members of the Portuguese de Sousa family. Several relatives had accompanied their cousin Princess Isabella to the Netherlands when she arrived there in 1429 to marry the grand duke, Philip the Good of Burgundy.

At least 492 lines of descent can be traced from Queen Charlotte through her triple ancestry from Margarita de Castro y Sousa to Martin Alfonso de Sousa Chichorro, the illegitimate son of King Alfonso of Portugal and his Moorish mistress, Oruana/Madragana. Interestingly enough, in a gene pool that was comparatively miniscule due to royal inbreeding, it was from Martin Alfonso's de Sousa wife, Ines de Valladares, that the British queen inherited most of her African Islamic ancestry.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about with the last sentence. Some of you just like going off on a tangent due to your insecurities.
Martin Alfonso de Sousa Chichorro looks like a straight up Biracial Breh from when looking on Google Images
 

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I’ve seen a weird subsection of people, sometimes Black that believe history doesn’t whitewash. And they only sources they believe are white folks lol. It’s weird.
Yeah it's crazy. There's tons of art still remaining in Europe that hasn't been destroyed or whitewashed that clearly portrays melanated people in noble/aristocratic stations.

Not to mention documented accounts that you have to really dig to find.
 

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Martin de Sousa Chichorro looks like a straight up Biracial Breh from when looking on Google Images
Even the name “De Sousa” has Afro-Portuguese written all over it. Every “De Sousa” I have seen from Portugal, to Brazil, is either black or Mullato.

I’ve seen a weird subsection of people, sometimes Black that believe history doesn’t whitewash. And they only sources they believe are white folks lol. It’s weird.

They’re just insecure. Even when you post proofs - they will keep arguing blindly.
 

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Abraham Lincoln definitely had black ancestry through his mother Nancy Hanks (distant cousin of actor Tom Hanks as well)
 

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I've heard interesting theories about George washington. Just look at how many black Americans have the last name as opposed to White americans.

If I remember correctly one of his rivals (on the opposing side) during wartime was a black man as well
 
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I've heard interesting theories about George washington. Just look at how many black Americans have the last name as opposed to White americans.

If I remember correctly one of his rivals (on the opposing side) during wartime was a black man as well
People have said Alexander Hamilton has black West Indies ancestry too
 
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