Which had a greater impact on the NBA?

[NYC Rebel]

Good points. Handchecking was a skill that only good defenders could take advantage of anyway.

A zone can hide defensive deficiencies for an entire team simultaneously.

Exactly.

A niqqa like Derek Harper was strong as fukk and could move someone around with his handchecking.

It's much easier to be an effective defender sliding to a spot to make it harder for a shooter than to use a handcheck to stop a shooter. The handcheck was good for a few who knew how to use it.

 

[ghostwriterx]

Zone by far.
2008 NBA FINALS: Kobe Bryant vs. Boston Celtics Zone Defense - YouTube

Illegal Sophisticated defenses has made it much harder for players to score. Hand Checking was still quite common up until the 04-05 seasons when they made additional rules for it...tho you can still see some of it today. Granted it is still a very effective way to limit the defender...but it is drastically overrated...especially when its effects are compared to Zone Defenses. Its scary to think how easy Kobe would have scored in the 90s.

Doc Rivers and the Zone Defense: Familiarity Breeds Contempt | Boston Celtics Basketball - Celtics news, rumors and analysis - CelticsHub.com

 

[NYC Rebel]

Doc Rivers and the Zone Defense: Familiarity Breeds Contempt | Boston Celtics Basketball - Celtics news, rumors and analysis - CelticsHub.com

Michael Jordan vs. Piston's Defense (aka: "Jordan Rules") - YouTube

Another exagerration.

The belief that every NBA game became turned into Hockey.

The Jordan rules has nothing to do with the handcheck.

 

[ghostwriterx]

Exactly.

A niqqa like Derek Harper was strong as fukk and could move someone around with his handchecking.

It's much easier to be an effective defender sliding to a spot to make it harder for a shooter than to use a handcheck to stop a shooter. The handcheck was good for a few who knew how to use it.

NBA.com: Since the hand-checking rule was interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season, the game has opened up. Players are penetrating and the floor is spread. As a result, scoring has risen every season. Was this anticipated back in 2004?

Stu Jackson: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots — having more time to shoot — they tend to make more of them.

NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location — at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?

Stu Jackson: It doesn’t. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.

The Michael Jordan era defenses vs The Kobe/LeBron era defenses, hand checking| Blitz Sports Network |

 

[ghostwriterx]

Another exagerration.

The belief that every NBA game became turned into Hockey.

The Jordan rules has nothing to do with the handcheck.

I didn't post that to highlight the physical play.

Simply pointing out the defense the Celtics were using was similar to the Pistons, Celtics weren't in a true zone, they were just collapsing on a great shooter and taking advantage of poor spacing.

They did take some liberties with the new rules, but as the Pistons video points out teams were playing illegal zones back then, ex. (double teaming MJ w/o the ball).

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

NBA.com: Since the hand-checking rule was interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season, the game has opened up. Players are penetrating and the floor is spread. As a result, scoring has risen every season. Was this anticipated back in 2004?

Stu Jackson: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots — having more time to shoot — they tend to make more of them.

NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location — at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?

Stu Jackson: It doesn’t. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.

The Michael Jordan era defenses vs The Kobe/LeBron era defenses, hand checking| Blitz Sports Network |

I'm glad you posted this because it really explains the state of this thread. Handchecking was abolished in 1994, and the forearm that replaced it was outlawed in 1997.

That was real handchecking. Whatever was going on in 2004 was an absolute joke, and I would think would have no bearing on this thread. But there's a lot of young cats in here, I guess.

Handchecking in 2004?

 

[HollywoodP]

http://celticshub.com/2011/02/15/doc-rivers-and-the-zone-defense-familiarity-breeds-contempt/Michael Jordan vs. Piston's Defense (aka: "Jordan Rules") - YouTube

What does this have to do with handchecking?

 

[Art Barr]

fukk both of those lil boy basketball league rule changes.

both made the loss of bball iq. that much more significant.

art barr

 

[ghostwriterx]

What does this have to do with handchecking?

Like I said above, didn't post it to highlight hand checking, but to compare/contrast the actual defense the Pistons played against Jordan with the defense Boston played against Kobe. e.g. both employed trapping, collapsing man-to-man defenses.

 

[Greenhornet]

hand checking goes along with zone

so hand checking because it is more vital to any defense

 

[jwinfield]

Zone by far.

Illegal Its scary to think how easy Kobe would have scored in the 90s.

He averaged 8, 15 and 20 his years in the 90s

 

[superunknown23]

Handchecking extended Derek Harper's career as a defender by at least 5 years.
nikka looked a first-class defender with the Knicks, despite being old and not able to move his feet laterally.
When the NBA made it illegal, it was initially called the "Derek Harper Rule"

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

hand checking goes along with zone

so hand checking because it is more vital to any defense

 

[StatUS]

The 2010-2011 Mavericks say Zone.

 

[mbewane]

I'd say no hand-check. The thing is that it allows refs to whistle a foul almost on every play, meaning defensive players are much more cautious (whether they are good defenders or not), meaning it's easier for offensive players. Some calls are beyond ridiculous. The no-hand check rule is basically what started this whole wack ticky-tack foul era IMO .