No skills but puts up record numbers in "the most skilled era ever"
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Players like T-Mac and more Yao Ming are in the Hall. Giannis could stop playing basketball today and he's a HOF.yall really out here trying to hall of fame a 26 year old
yall gotta let this man actually grow up and have a career first
he could keep winning, turn out like Penny, fall off the face of the earth etc
trying to rank a 26 year old in all time shyt is some of the most wild posting I've seen on internet
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U still pushing Harden as better than Giannis?
One is getting arrested in Paris and hanging out with rap entourages the other is putting up historic NBA Finals numbers
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If he brings a title to Milwaukee nobody can say anything else about that man. He’s been balling. Maybe smaller markets will get some love if they win.
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He’s better than second year Duncan you’re simply putting the older player on a pedestal.
Duncan is the better low post option and rim protector but check the ‘lytics on both. Giannis slashing, passing, ball handling, defensive versatility is better. Duncan faced an 8th seed and Pat Ewing was injured in the Finals his second year.
Nobody is saying he’s better than Duncan career wise. Giannis is having a monster prime/peak and has potential to add to his trophy case (and to his skillset) as he’s only 26.
Also, stop trying to downplay his run
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The GOAT …top ranked players talk is always funny.
Past players who were great as time passes will get bumped down. Regardless of the talent as a lot of people doing the ranking didn’t watch older players in real time
Also funny seeing agendas from current player fan bases. Start slighting the new era early so they don’t pass up the old guard once they retire
Past players who were great as time passes will get bumped down. Regardless of the talent as a lot of people doing the ranking didn’t watch older players in real time
Also funny seeing agendas from current player fan bases. Start slighting the new era early so they don’t pass up the old guard once they retire
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That's how shyt is supposed to go; as time goes on, players are supposed to get better.
And watching players in real time only matters if you know how to contextualize their play properly (which the majority of folks don't know how to), and not look at them through rose-colored glasses because that's who you grew up idolizing. I mean, it's only natural to have that affinity for players you came up on, but that doesn't mean they're the best just because you had their poster hanging up on your wall.
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harden would have bricked 15 step backs threes and gassed out yesterday. Harden my dog but nahto add on...
i think there is some of the opposite effect too when analyzing players who are younger than you (general you) are. i can be guilty of it...i see some 22 year old kid out there and i apply some of my opinions to that younger generation to them. its like going on the basketball court and having the younger kids just playing a different style than you and it being like ...yeah ok you made that shot but i dont fukk with your overall style at all, shyts wack.
but definitely there is some reverence people have for their elders and it applies to sports figures as well. even if we didnt idolize them or have their poster..just off the strength of witnessing them in our formative years and being influenced by their playstyle there will be a little boost in ratings off the strength. i can freely admit i sometimes rank gary payton higher than most because i liked that back down point guard style and utilized it from time to time. i may rank larry johnson higher because of his "lj freeze" at the top of the key/elbow. little shyt like that.
Duncan was also a better midrange shooter and on-court leader. And I dispute the passing - Giannis gets more assists as a natural result of how the offense is run and who his teammates are, but Duncan was at least as skilled on that end. And don't forget that young Duncan was sometimes slotted in as a SF, his defensive versatility at that age was still excellent.
But don't forget that in order to get to the Finals, he had to beat KG and the Timberwolves, Shaq and the Lakers, and Sheed and the Blazers. It was a nice run before the shytty finals opponent.
The record injuries and Bucks advancing to the Finals by winning back-to-back ECF games without Giannis even on the court does all the work on its own.Also, stop trying to downplay his run
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It’s very simple. This is not the most skilled era in the history of the nba, the early 2000s were in terms of superstar ability. Giannis is simply exposing the weak ass nikkas in the league today. He isn’t really skilled as far as perimeter play is concerned but he’s skilled if we consider him a big I guess.
Gianiss is the most skilled 7'0 footer in nba history behind Durant .. name any players @ his height with his game
He isn’t really skilled as far as perimeter play is concerned but he’s skilled if we consider him a big I guess.
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Neither Duncan or Giannis are shooters. The mid-range was more prioritized in Duncan's day they had pick and pop plays to get him open looks still he took no threes and shot 37% overall on jumpers in his second season. Giannis looks are mostly self-created in comparison walk up three pointers, mid-post one footers, size up pull ups. I don't think the shooting is worth talking about personally at the stage of second year Duncan. Duncan wasn't a marksman and he wasn't a good free throw shooter either he improved as his career went on. The edge will go to Duncan but we all know Giannis bread and butter is his slashing which is G.O.A.T. level and comparable to LeBron.
Both are great leaders Giannis is fully team oriented to the point he doesn't even get along much with other NBA stars, he is extremely coachable, he always takes accountability at the presser, his teammates seem to love him. I can't sit here and definitely say a second year Duncan is a better leader than Giannis how can that be measured?
Giannis is definitely a better passer than Duncan. Duncan wouldn't be able to assume Giannis role he is too slow and doesn't have enough handle and his court vision isn't up to par to have that type of role or run that type of offense and that makes him more offensively impactful. Duncan was unselfish and a reactive passer out of double teams in the post and good in transition and outlet situations. Duncan also played SF in the dead ball era which was really a line-up with three centers (Perdue, Robinson, Duncan) where they could shrink the court because teams still didn't understand the concept of spacing and their was a lot of slow pace, post up, iso ball in that time period. In this era with all the shooting, high pace, P&R's, shifty guards do you think he could play SF and assume a free safety role like Giannis and do it all defensively at a high level? I'll give Duncan rim protection but there are other aspects of defense where I think Giannis is better.
KG and the Wolves were a .500 team, Shaq and the Lakers were a bottom defensive team and to that point that was Shaq's fourth career playoff sweep, 'Sheed and the Blazers I guess
The Bucks won back-to-back ECF games because Trae Young was injured. The Bucks are also a better team than the Hawks period. I already went through it several times about downplaying Giannis run in this thread at the end of the day this context won't be applied to all the other greats who faced injured teams in history. At the end of the day you play whose in front of you durability is part of the game. The latest dynasty the Warriors benefitted from injuries every single year. At the end of the day I watched the actual games namedropping players is pointless to what actually happens on the court. It took ATG performances to beat Durant. Giannis twisted his knee two weeks ago and the Bucks have been without Donte DiVincenzo the entire playoffs.
Giannis '21 RS 'lytics: 29.2 PER, 8.8 box plus minus, 5.5 value over replacement, .244 WS/48
Duncan '99 RS 'lytics: 23.2 PER, 4.5 box plus minus, 3.2 value over replacement, .213 WS/48
I don't know why it's so hard to understand y'all seeing something y'all never seen before, an All-Time great in the making, this dude should be respected and contextualized as what I said a god damn super-sized Dr. J.
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