Where is the history of the Minoans?

[THE MACHINE]

@J-Nice

Thanks man. I'm gonna give this a read later on tonight.

 

[Jammer22]

I'm thinking that the indigenous pigmentation shift of the population as a whole turned whiter over time because of the constant internal wars and Euro invasions occurring before and during the bronze age collapse and Greek dark ages.

So it goes from Minoan to Mycenaean and then finally Classical Greece, with each generation of the eastern med becoming progressively lighter.

That's without even going into Huns, Slavs and Turkic shenanigans later in time.

 

[J-Nice]

I'm thinking that the indigenous pigmentation shift of the population as a whole turned whiter over time because of the constant internal wars and Euro invasions occurring before and during the bronze age collapse and Greek dark ages.

So it goes from Minoan to Mycenaean and then finally Classical Greece, with each generation of the eastern med becoming progressively lighter.

That's without even going into Huns, Slavs and Turkic shenanigans later in time.

Keep in mind that the founding culture of Crete was North African but the population came from other Agean islands, the Peloponnese mainland, and the Levant. Technically, you could call these people "mixed" despite people not doing so. I wonder why? Maybe because there's an agenda at work. As much as people will cry that African doesn't mean black, then why do they insist that European means white?

 

[J-Nice]

Let's also keep in mind that the Ancient Greeks admitted themselves that their writing came to them from the Levant. They have the myth of Cadmus bringing the alphabet from Phonecia. Cadmus is the hellenized Semitic root QDM which mean "the east" and "of old." According to the myth, Cadmus the Phoenician is a descendent of Libya.

From Herodotus Histories book 5

LVIII. These Phoenicians who came with Cadmus and of whom the Gephyraeans were a part brought with them to Hellas, among many other kinds of learning, the alphabet, which had been unknown before this, I think, to the Greeks. As time went on the sound and the form of the letters were changed. [2] At this time the Greeks who were settled around them were for the most part Ionians, and after being taught the letters by the Phoenicians, they used them with a few changes of form. In so doing, they gave to these characters the name of Phoenician, as was quite fair seeing that the Phoenicians had brought them into Greece. [3] The Ionians have also from ancient times called sheets of papyrus skins, since they formerly used the skins of sheep and goats due to the lack of papyrus. Even to this day there are many foreigners who write on such skins.

LIX. I have myself seen Cadmean writing in the temple of Ismenian Apollo at Thebes of Boeotia engraved on certain tripods and for the most part looking like Ionian letters. On one of the tripods there is this inscription:

Amphitryon dedicated me from the spoils of Teleboae.

This would date from about the time of Laius the son of Labdacus, grandson of Polydorus and great-grandson of Cadmus.

Phoenicia

 

[Jammer22]

Keep in mind that the founding culture of Crete was North African but the population came from other Agean islands, the Peloponnese mainland, and the Levant. Technically, you could call these people "mixed" despite people not doing so. I wonder why? Maybe because there's an agenda at work. As much as people will cry that African doesn't mean black, then why do they insist that European means white?

I think they can say it now but historically they ain't got a foot to stand on if we speaking on phenotype. Dark skin dominated for a long, long-ass time. Wouldn't surprise me in the least that the southern Europe and the surrounding places looked very breh-ish a few thousand years back.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3028813/Europeans-dark-skinned-8-000-years-ago-Pale-complexions-brought-Europe-Near-East-study-claims.html

Indo-European migrations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hunter-gatherer European had blue eyes and dark skin - BBC News

 

[blackzeus]

Weren't these guys like shipmakers? How much shipmaking experience are you going to get in the plains and valleys of Europe?

 

[blackzeus]

I think they can say it now but historically they ain't got a foot to stand on if we speaking on phenotype. Dark skin dominated for a long, long-ass time. Wouldn't surprise me in the least that the southern Europe and the surrounding places looked very breh-ish a few thousand years back.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3028813/Europeans-dark-skinned-8-000-years-ago-Pale-complexions-brought-Europe-Near-East-study-claims.html

Indo-European migrations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hunter-gatherer European had blue eyes and dark skin - BBC News

I think at this point it's pretty much a given that in most parts of the ancient world:

Coastal/tropical: blacks

Mountainous/frigid: white

 

[J-Nice]

I think they can say it now but historically they ain't got a foot to stand on if we speaking on phenotype. Dark skin dominated for a long, long-ass time. Wouldn't surprise me in the least that the southern Europe and the surrounding places looked very breh-ish a few thousand years back.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3028813/Europeans-dark-skinned-8-000-years-ago-Pale-complexions-brought-Europe-Near-East-study-claims.html

Indo-European migrations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hunter-gatherer European had blue eyes and dark skin - BBC News

BUMP!!!

If were talking about the Mediterranean and other parts of Asia minor, then yeah. People have been traveling and mixing in those areas for thousands of years. We actually have solid evidence of that.

 

[blackzeus]

I think they can say it now but historically they ain't got a foot to stand on if we speaking on phenotype. Dark skin dominated for a long, long-ass time. Wouldn't surprise me in the least that the southern Europe and the surrounding places looked very breh-ish a few thousand years back.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3028813/Europeans-dark-skinned-8-000-years-ago-Pale-complexions-brought-Europe-Near-East-study-claims.html

Indo-European migrations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hunter-gatherer European had blue eyes and dark skin - BBC News

You go anywhere in the world, more or less it's the same. CACs in the mountains, nikkaz by the coast. Except Europe and Asia of course, because them dudes would commit suicide if they knew their granddaddies was nikkaz

 

[THE MACHINE]

About the pigmentation issue. We can assume the Phoenecians had melanin as well as they traveled all the way to the straights of Gibraltar. They went to turkey, Greece, Italy, Morocco and Libya. It was then when the mixing of the races started as the Northern Europeans came down and mixed, eventually starting the Roman Empire, Athenians, Carthaginians etc. However, the Moors held down Morocco and eventually invaded Spain. But we are talking about 1200bc when the Phoenecians were trading and expanding everywhere but Egypt. The events from the op were about 1500bc.