Where does Lebron rank all-time now?

[HacksawJimThuggin]

Be careful what you say folks. Houston911 seems rather sensitive, handing out negative reps and tossing insults instead of debating a post that he doesn't like or agree with. Right back at you my man, ill take solace in knowing that I can hurt feelings so easily.

nah, you're just a lame bro

 

[JT-Money]

How in the world did this thread turn into an Kobe debate. This nicca is irrelevant unless the Lakers are going to get Dwight Howard and Derrin Williams.

It's the Heat's turns to rule and we got the next 3 chips. All you other clowns bow down and kiss the ring.

 

[Goatpoacher]

link?

www.2004finals.com

 

[Lakerman0834]

How in the world did this thread turn into an Kobe debate. This nicca is irrelevant unless the Lakers are going to get Dwight Howard and Derrin Williams.

It's the Heat's turns to rule and we got the next 3 chips. All you other clowns bow down and kiss the ring.

 

[GreatestLaker]

I completely disagree about the Defense, he may be better now but for their careers it's not close. Lebron was awful on D his first 4 years in the league and he's only been in the league for 9. Kobe was a legit lockdown defender since he got consistent playing time, which was about year 2 I think.

Here is the thing. Kobe really became a great defender in his 4th year.

So he was average at best from year 1 to year 3.

Kobe was a top 3 perimeter defender from 00-04. That's 5 years of excellent defense. His D was TERRIBLE in 05. From 06 to 08. He was a very good defender, but only when he tried. In 09 he was good, not great. So from 10 till now he was awful to average.

5 years of bad defense.
5 Years of great defense.
6 years of good defense.

Lebron started to become a good defender in 07.

From 03 to 06 he was bad.

3 Years of bad defense.
2 Years of good defense.
4 Years of great defense.

 

[GreatestLaker]

pierce had two 30 pt games in 08 w/ kobe's defense.

before that look at their playoff runs. where are the elite sg/sf that kobe had to guard?

kobe hardly guarded Pierce in 08. It was a combination of Luke/Vlad.

 

[GreatestLaker]

luke walton avg. 11 minutes that series.

I don't care how much he averaged. He was guarding Pierce, not Kobe. Kobe was hardly ever on him. He was on Rondo.

 

[klientel]

Here is the thing. Kobe really became a great defender in his 4th year.

So he was average at best from year 1 to year 3.

Kobe was a top 3 perimeter defender from 00-04. That's 5 years of excellent defense. His D was TERRIBLE in 05. From 06 to 08. He was a very good defender, but only when he tried. In 09 he was good, not great. So from 10 till now he was awful to average.

5 years of bad defense.
5 Years of great defense.
6 years of good defense.

Lebron started to become a good defender in 07.

From 03 to 06 he was bad.

3 Years of bad defense.
2 Years of good defense.
4 Years of great defense.

Nah his defense was really only bad his rookie year, he was solid from that point on. It's just that the chase down blocks started getting alot of burn on ESPN in 07 and people started to take notice of his defense.

 

[GreatestLaker]

so the Lakers weren't the overwhelming favorites to win the title in 04? the Pistons beating them was not seen as an upset?

It was seen as an upset off the fact that the Lakers had Kobe and Shaq. But anyone that was watching the Lakers team closely knew we weren't a good team when Malone was out of the lineup. He was our only other consistent scoring option outside of Kobe and Shaq.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Nah his defense was really only bad his rookie year, he was solid from that point on. It's just that the chase down blocks started getting alot of burn on ESPN in 07 and people started to take notice of his defense.

I think he was below average in year 2 and 3. He used to get lost a lot on D.

 

[Gravity]

*negged*

houston is that nikka , I don't always agree with him and he doesn't lob insults or neg me.

Maybe it's because you give good fellatio like you're doing now? I see what it is though, he must be Lewis.

 

[verbaltelekinesis]

Nah his defense was really only bad his rookie year, he was solid from that point on. It's just that the chase down blocks started getting alot of burn on ESPN in 07 and people started to take notice of his defense.

NO! He was bad for his 4 years. Which is why everybody would pick Kobe over him as the best player, they would all point to Lebron on defense.

 

[holidayinn21]

www.2004finals.com

 

[Houston911]

Be careful what you say folks. Houston911 seems rather sensitive, handing out negative reps and tossing insults instead of debating a post that he doesn't like or agree with. Right back at you my man, ill take solace in knowing that I can hurt feelings so easily.

nah, that was my bad

i saw you reply to holidayinn but i thought you were talking to me

honest mistake, ill pos rep u after i hit 5 more people

 

[Gravity]

All good, your dogs are rather defensive I see.