verbaltelekinesis
LWO Joint Chief
I got the years confused.
But the year they got Shaq all I heard going into the playoffs was how the Cavaliers finally had the pieces to win a championship.
Where does Lebron rank all-time now?
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I got the years confused.
But the year they got Shaq all I heard going into the playoffs was how the Cavaliers finally had the pieces to win a championship.
Mic-Nificent
I didn't eat nobody
you know what's funny. i remember some people hyping up the Jamison trade too. at the time i wasthinkin they had some information about him that i didn't. now........they act like they was never hype or thought he'd contribute.
YUP
People were going on and on about how the Cavs just got that much more dangerous. Though once Jamison started playing they dialed that shyt back. They were still favored to win that year though.
verbaltelekinesis
LWO Joint Chief
What year was the Jamison trade?
Does acquiring Shaq make the Cavs favorites to win the NBA title in 2010? - NBCSports
They weren't favorites over the Lakers, they could have won a title, but they weren't favorites at all. And it would have taken an even more impressive playoff run from LeBron to do it.
Even before they lost to the Magic it was obvious they weren't a title favorite despite the 66-16 record because they kept losing to the elite teams.
Mo Williams was traded before the start of the 08-09 season.
Shaq was traded before the 09-10 season.
And they picked up Jamison during the trade deadline in 09-10.
Their best shot at a title was in 09-10, but Brown didn't play JJ Hickson in the playoffs and instead let Jamison guard KG, then he tried to defend KG with Shaq.
Mic-Nificent
I didn't eat nobody
Same year they got Shaq.
verbaltelekinesis
LWO Joint Chief
Updated odds to win 2010 championship following Draft, trades - Ball Don't Lie - NBA Blog - Yahoo! Sports
Cavaliers, Lakers lead short list of NBA championship contenders - NBA - SI.com
I'm not saying that I agree with them being favorites, I'm just saying that they were by a lot of people.
HacksawJimThuggin
All Star
So I'm the only one that remembers everyone saying Cleveland needs to give LeBron a legit 2nd option if they're gonna make any serious noise? then there being speculation that they were gonna get Amare but it fell through because they didn't want to get rid of Hickson... And then finally they tried to appease Bron by bringing in wack ass Antawn Jamison and everyone said 
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They COULD have won a title in 09-10, but it would have taken a better coach and LeBron would have had to been at an even higher level than he was at in these playoffs.
The Cavs matched up well with the Lakers, but it would have been the same problem the Thunder just had with the Heat, which is the Lakers had better two way players, while the Cavs had specialists surrounding 1 guy.
Mic-Nificent
I didn't eat nobody
So I'm the only one that remembers everyone saying Cleveland needs to give LeBron a legit 2nd option if they're gonna make any serious noise? then there being speculation that they were gonna get Amare but it fell through because they didn't want to get rid of Hickson... And then finally they tried to appease Bron by bringing in wack ass Antawn Jamison and everyone said
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Eveything you said is true except you leaving out the part where they traded for Shaq and that deal was being treated as if Shaq was going to put the Cavs over the top.
I am, and so are a bunch of guys who get paid to play the game.
With that said, lebron is a legend.
If you take:
Talent + skill (how good/productive they are)
Individual success (individual numbers/accolades/records etc)
Leadership + intangibles (being "the guy", stepping up during pressure, making teammates better etc)
Competition/era (8 team league
)
Team success (wins/rings) into account...
MJ
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Kobe
Shaq
Russell
Duncan
Bron
Hakeem had to go
If Bron stays consistent as far as stats and wins a few more rings/finals mvps, he'll be in top 3/GOAT arguments by time hes in his early 30s
Talent + skill (how good/productive they are)
Individual success (individual numbers/accolades/records etc)
Leadership + intangibles (being "the guy", stepping up during pressure, making teammates better etc)
Competition/era (8 team league
)Team success (wins/rings) into account...
MJ
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Kobe
Shaq
Russell
Duncan
Bron
Hakeem had to go
If Bron stays consistent as far as stats and wins a few more rings/finals mvps, he'll be in top 3/GOAT arguments by time hes in his early 30s
Top 5-10 NOW
2-3 more Rings(wit more MVPs)Top 1-3 wit no Debate
2-3 more Rings(wit more MVPs)Top 1-3 wit no Debate
If you take:
Talent + skill (how good/productive they are)
Individual success (individual numbers/accolades/records etc)
Leadership + intangibles (being "the guy", stepping up during pressure, making teammates better etc)
Competition/era (8 team league
Team success (wins/rings) into account...
MJ
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Kobe
Shaq
Russell
Duncan
Bron
Hakeem had to go
If Bron stays consistent as far as stats and wins a few more rings/finals mvps, he'll be in top 3/GOAT arguments by time hes in his early 30s
So how dis Duncan and Russell end up ahead of Hakeem? Russell player in an era of white boys and duncans own teammates don't think he was as good as Hakeem. Hakeem was in a similar situation to bron in Cleveland....except Hakeem turns those teams into champions....and he beat all time great players who were in their primes and had superior teammates to do it.