Where do you think Game of Thrones went wrong?

[Jello Biafra]

Although I completely understand why people are mad at Mad Queen Dany I think there's a bit of unfairness on it

The writers definitely blew it BUT

I think there's a macro reason why Dany's change appears to be "out of the blue"

Dany throws nikkas off guard because they're so used to female characters talking and behaving the way she did, which was GRRMs point in writing Dany in the first place. She's meant to be a subversion of the type of characters girls and women love to read about

With nikkas guards down they failed to discern that Dany BEEN an a$$hole since at least season 3 she became increasingly indulgent and selfish. And she had some cases that justified her anger. But you don't get a nikka back like THAT

A good trick to notice in fiction is when a character starts going "I I I,me me me. I am this. I'M gonna do that" Characters that talk like that become VILLAINS my nikka. Juxtapose that with Jon, the reluctant hero. Another common trope

D&D's selfishness and eventual laziness ruined the Dany arc, but her becoming what she was wasn't as "out of the blue" as nikkas think

The potential for Dany to become the villain was always there but the show decided to take the potential and be like "see this explains why she is killing men, women and children" without ever taking us on that journey.
They basically went from showing that the seed was there for an Evil Dany to giving us Evil Dany without letting that shyt grow organically.

And that goes back to the main reason why GoT took a bit of a nosedive in later seasons: In their heads, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss were done with working on the show by Season 5 but were forced to finish out their contract with HBO and they treated that shyt like people treat their jobs after giving their 2 weeks notice...they stop giving a fukk and were just counting the days until it was over and they could move on to do the new stuff they were actually interested in doing.

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

Jon Snow not fighting the Night King, no one major dying in that fight also.
Dany turning psycho out the blue, she might've been arsh before but she had a good heart. She or Jon Snow should've ruled the 7 kingdoms.
Bran fukk outta here.

Imagine that, if this was season one multiple people would have died. They didn’t really give a fukk in the later seasons and it showed…Starbucks cup anyone.

 

[threattonature]

The simplest answer is they rushed everything. They basically crammed 4-5 seasons worth of story into the last 2 seasons. You could tell they just wanted to finish the shyt off and move on. No idea why HBO just didn't get new show runners and keep it going. They also seemed to become attached to too many characters and gave them too much plot armor. The Night King war should've had massive casualties and the war for power after that battle could've been an entire season to itself.

 

[Killigraphy]

A lot of uninformed will use the "after they had no books to copy from" angle and conveniently ignore that even after they ran out of source material, the ratings were skyrocketing. They never truly ran out of material of course, since Martin was working with, and told them the exact ending that they presented. The only problem was how rushed it all was. But I keep telling people, that's not their idea, everything that went through was Martin's final chess move in his series.

 

[ColdSlither]

It's the books. DnD had GRRM's basic outline of where he wanted to go. What they didn't have was his words on paper. Or for the Transformers fans, they didn't have Megatron's golden disk saying exactly what transpired. Plus I think they wanted to get the hell out of there because Disney wanted them for Star Wars. I still enjoyed the show and didn't think it was total bullshyt, but there is a difference from when they had written material to adapt, and when they didn't.

 

[humminbird]

probably when the showrunners started feeling themselves too much and wanted to rush the show to work on other projects all of which have been delayed or canceled.
So the beginning of planning season 7 and the decision to make season 7 and 8 shorter

 

[humminbird]

A lot of uninformed will use the "after they had no books to copy from" angle and conveniently ignore that even after they ran out of source material, the ratings were skyrocketing. They never truly ran out of material of course, since Martin was working with, and told them the exact ending that they presented. The only problem was how rushed it all was. But I keep telling people, that's not their idea, everything that went through was Martin's final chess move in his series.

yeah exactly they knew exactly how it was going to end and the plot threads of each character.
they were always taking out and changing things

 

[DaddyFresh]

Yeah the show goes downhill from season 5. It wasn’t just the ending.

 

[Sinnerman]

There were arcs and characters that should have been introduced in season 5 that weren't, and I think that hurt things for sure

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Although most people blame season 7 and 8 for GOT not being the GOAT, I've always felt that the show went down hill around season 5 or so. Focusing on the high septum/sparrows, Dorne, and the bullshyt going on with Daenerys really set back the show. To me they killed off Joffrey and Tywin too soon. They should have waited another season. I know it's based on the books but I still think they should have done that differently. The show really struggled with having a main villain after Tywin was killed. Ramsey filled a great role for the Stark Arc, but there was no more true threat with the Lannisters that gave the show its main drive.

The First Amendment, Freedom of Speech and, and the fans having Twitter/social media

 

[Legal]

Although I completely understand why people are mad at Mad Queen Dany I think there's a bit of unfairness on it

The writers definitely blew it BUT

I think there's a macro reason why Dany's change appears to be "out of the blue"

Dany throws nikkas off guard because they're so used to female characters talking and behaving the way she did, which was GRRMs point in writing Dany in the first place. She's meant to be a subversion of the type of characters girls and women love to read about

With nikkas guards down they failed to discern that Dany BEEN an a$$hole since at least season 3 she became increasingly indulgent and selfish. And she had some cases that justified her anger. But you don't get a nikka back like THAT

A good trick to notice in fiction is when a character starts going "I I I,me me me. I am this. I'M gonna do that" Characters that talk like that become VILLAINS my nikka. Juxtapose that with Jon, the reluctant hero. Another common trope

D&D's selfishness and eventual laziness ruined the Dany arc, but her becoming what she was wasn't as "out of the blue" as nikkas think

This is spot on. Danny's heel turn at the end was something from a mile away, since her character arc is one of the variations of a tragic protagonist that you see more often than not. Doubly so when you consider that the character could be seen as an analog of Alexander the Great.

The problem (along with others) is, like you said, down to how the writers executed it. They spent a lot of the series with that storyline on a low boil, and then just cranked it up in the last couple of episodes. Additionally, the show has an absolute awful relationship with time. It doesn't convey how much time passes in between events, so it has the result of cheapening some of the events.

For example, it seems like Jon's storyline is supposed to ultimately be like an undercover cop who spends too much time in deep cover, become disillusioned with their duties, and ultimately sympathizes with the people he was supposed to be snitching on. But since the majority of his on screen time posing as a wilding occurs in one season, the show almost argues he got the first semester college freshman experience of leaving home for the first time, listening to a professor with a couple decent lectures, made a friend, clapped some cheeks, and came out a changed man.

 

[Master Teacher]

When the books ran out duh...

They cut out characters and bunch of other material from books when making the show, for no reason, when they could've just milked all that

but the reality is, the author has wrote himself into a hole which is why he can't finish the books, and making a show based on unfinished story is just dumb they should've already had their show plotted out from the beginning with the ending and just based it on the books

The killed all the best characters and the best actors who gave the best performances and without these characters the show was boring

that's the reality, if scarface get skilled by Sosa 30 minutes into the movie, what the hell is the movie going to be about, chi chi or whover tony told to get the Yayo

the shock value gave them life and always killed the series

but those two writers were gassed up from the success and way over there heads and couldn't handle the project

 

[Nero Christ]

I never heard this but I believe it

And it's not just GOT its a problem with all corporate fiction.

Oh this character is a fan favorite??? Ok we gotta clean them up

We saw it happen with Loki

But the point of a story like GOT is the dichotomy of all these characters

Jamie was fortunate to have a true arc but Tyrion

that is why I'm glad the David Chase went the extra length he did in the final seasons to make Tony Soprano as reprehensible as he did

 

[Standing on business]

Despite its faults I feel a better shot war with the white walkers and a better ending would’ve changed peoples whole perception about the show falling off.

 

[Yessir_Araphat]

I'll say this once again, but joffrey was a GOAT level on that show. the greatest villain, and one of my favorite characters on there cuz of all of his fukkery and his delusions of grandeur. I really wish his run lasted longer

when he destroyed the book he got for his birthday, with the sword he also got for his birthday