Where do Juicy J and DJ Paul rank as Hip Hop producers?

[Wacky D]

Mobb Deep was never a big deal like that outside of the tristate with Quiet Storm and the shyt died right back down after that. Alot of nikkas didn't even know about them until Pac dissed them on Hit em up.

Three Six's heyday was 2000-2001 with the back to back releases of When The Smoke Clears and Mista Don't Play (Pat wasn't in the official group but you get the point). They were just as popular as Mobb Deep ever was at their peak popularity. Not sure why you acting like Mobb was ever anything above a gold selling niche NY group outside of one national hit record.

I have no horse in this race. I personally liked both groups about the same, but objectively speaking; 3-6 mafia is not on the level of mobb deep.

the fact that you have to compare 3-6 mafia at their peak to mobb deep when they were years past their prime, just to get a debatable argument going, says it all.

btw, you cant go platinum or gold on the east coast while being niche/regional, like you can do on other coasts. the bootlegging is too heavy.
that's the difference between mobb deep and say a smiff-n-wessun.

They didn't have an incomplete run. Dogg Food was their ceiling given where Death Row went after that album dropped specifically Snoop's trajectory. Them being red hot was mostly attributed to Death Row being red Hot. Pretty much everything they dropped was hot.

sure they benefited from death row, but youre ignoring the fact that kurupt was an elite emcee, and daz was a top producer.

they had more left in the tank than the early guys. daz & kurupt together could've at least kept death row alive. they had more in the tank than just dogg food.​

 

[JustCKing]

I have no horse in this race. I personally liked both groups about the same, but objectively speaking; 3-6 mafia is not on the level of mobb deep.

the fact that you have to compare 3-6 mafia at their peak to mobb deep when they were years past their prime, just to get a debatable argument going, says it all.

btw, you cant go platinum or gold on the east coast while being niche/regional, like you can do on other coasts. the bootlegging is too heavy.
that's the difference between mobb deep and say a smiff-n-wessun.





sure they benefited from death row, but youre ignoring the fact that kurupt was an elite emcee, and daz was a top producer.

they had more left in the tank than the early guys. daz & kurupt together could've at least kept death row alive. they had more in the tank than just dogg food.​

Being an elite MC is neither here or there. It wasn't enough to sustain the group post Death Row decline.

And it's not like Daz remained in top form as a producer. The fact that you had use "could've" speaks more to their potential vs what they actually accomplished. They didn't keep Death Row alive even when they were still on the label in good terms. When they branched out on their own, they were a far cry from a top duo in Hip Hop.

 

[Wacky D]

Being an elite MC is neither here or there. It wasn't enough to sustain the group post Death Row decline.

And it's not like Daz remained in top form as a producer. The fact that you had use "could've" speaks more to their potential vs what they actually accomplished. They didn't keep Death Row alive even when they were still on the label in good terms. When they branched out on their own, they were a far cry from a top duo in Hip Hop.

there was NO GROUP post death row.

kurupt was the 1st one to leave the label before everyone else, actually.
while Daz stayed for years.

 

[JustCKing]

there was NO GROUP post death row.

kurupt was the 1st one to leave the label before everyone else, actually.
while Daz stayed for years.

They were a group post Death Row.

 

[Wacky D]

They were a group post Death Row.

they reunited the group YEARS later via indie albums.

im shocked you didn't know all this. youre usually on top of these types of things.

 

[JustCKing]

they reunited the group YEARS later via indie albums.

im shocked you didn't know all this. youre usually on top of these types of things.

I did know this. I'm not about to argue back and forth over whether they were a group or not post Death Row. They dropped indy albums as Dogg Pound post Death Row. They were still a group.

 

[Wacky D]

I did know this. I'm not about to argue back and forth over whether they were a group or not post Death Row. They dropped indy albums as Dogg Pound post Death Row. They were still a group.

apparently you did NOT know.

otherwise, you wouldn't have made comments like "they didn't keep death row alive".

The fact that you had use "could've" speaks more to their potential vs what they actually accomplished. They didn't keep Death Row alive even when they were still on the label in good terms. When they branched out on their own, they were a far cry from a top duo in Hip Hop.

again, how is this possible when kurupt was the first person to leave death row??

you can never admit when youre wrong.​

 

[JustCKing]

apparently you did NOT know.

otherwise, you wouldn't have made comments like "they didn't keep death row alive".

again, how is this possible when kurupt was the first person to leave death row??

you can never admit when youre wrong.​

Apparently I did know and you are the one who is green. You continued to argue with a poster who said they were as regional as it gets post Dogg Food and NEVER mentioned the fact that they were indy until a couple of posts ago. And it's really neither here or there, it doesn't change the fact that much of their appeal came from being on Death Row and Snoop being one of the biggest rappers out.

 

[Wacky D]

Apparently I did know

but your actual quotes say otherwise.

 

[Reptile]

Aren't Dj Paul & Juicy J from the 90's? That's why I used "from the 90's" because that's when they and their Southern contemporaries came up.

Organized Noize- Southernplayalistic, ATLiens, Soul Food, Still Standing>>>>> any DJ Paul & Juicy J produced album

No Joe- Ridin' Dirty, The Diary, The Untouchable >>>>

Earthtone III- Aquemini, Stankonia>>>>>

T-Mix- most of the music Eightball & MJG did in the 90's>>>>>

This whole post is wrong.

 

[Reptile]

Top 1.

 

[JustCKing]

This whole post is wrong.

Objectively speaking, which Hypnotize Minds albums are we putting on the level of:

Kast- Southernplayalistic
Kast-ATLiens
Kast-Aquemini
Goodie Mob- Soul Food
UGK-Ridin' Dirty
Eightball & MJG- Comin Out Hard
Eightball & MJG- On Top Of The World
Eightball & MJG- In Our Lifetime
Juvenile- 400 Degreez


I have DJ Paul & Juicy J in my Top 5-10 of Southern producers and Top 25-30 overall.

 

[L Ray]

Objectively speaking, which Hypnotize Minds albums are we putting on the level of:

Kast- Southernplayalistic
Kast-ATLiens
Kast-Aquemini
Goodie Mob- Soul Food
UGK-Ridin' Dirty
Eightball & MJG- Comin Out Hard
Eightball & MJG- On Top Of The World
Eightball & MJG- In Our Lifetime
Juvenile- 400 Degreez


I have DJ Paul & Juicy J in my Top 5-10 of Southern producers and Top 25-30 overall.

I'd take the end and world domination, over them. I am also an admitted Three 6 stan though.

 

[28 Gramz]

Objectively speaking, which Hypnotize Minds albums are we putting on the level of:

Kast- Southernplayalistic
Kast-ATLiens
Kast-Aquemini
Goodie Mob- Soul Food
UGK-Ridin' Dirty
Eightball & MJG- Comin Out Hard
Eightball & MJG- On Top Of The World
Eightball & MJG- In Our Lifetime
Juvenile- 400 Degreez


I have DJ Paul & Juicy J in my Top 5-10 of Southern producers and Top 25-30 overall.

Mista Don't Play is better than the majority of that list.

 

[JustCKing]

Mista Don't Play is better than the majority of that list.

Nope. Objectively speaking, those albums are still impactful and influential albums in Hip Hop. They pioneered. Those first three Kast albums definitely pioneered ATL and Southern Hip Hop as a whole and made an indelible mark on not just Hip Hop, but music in general. What is Memphis Hip Hop or even Project Pat without those Eightball & MJG albums? Ridin' Dirty is a pillar of Southern Hip Hop. 400 Degreez was a moment in Hip Hop off "Ha", "Back That" and "400 Degreez" alone.