When/why did it become cool to be the dope fiend in rap?

[LogicFirst]

8 ball and St. Ides and Hennessey is just as destructive

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Behind the scenes musicians have always been dope fiends

 

[Zero]

I think Lil Wayne made it popular to be honest, he kinda ushered in that drugged out wave....

This plus the lean movement was finally breaking out of Texas/Philly alone

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

How did the lean movement develop in philly? I always knew about it from Texas with DJ screw and them, but that's interesting that it caught on/was going on in Philly at the same time...being that Philly is so far away.

 

[Soundbwoy]

I think Lil Wayne made it popular to be honest, he kinda ushered in that drugged out wave....

this was the beginning imo even as someone who doesnt do drugs this song has me like

 

[King Jae]

How did the lean movement develop in philly? I always knew about it from Texas with DJ screw and them, but that's interesting that it caught on/was going on in Philly at the same time...being that Philly is so far away.

It prolly was a passin the baton type of thing..... If you listen to Beanie's purple rain song he says he use to see his uncle scratching and itchin...... the current generation always picks up the bad habits from the ppl that raised them.... Sins of the father......

 

[nineteeneightysix]

Always been cool

Rappers been dope fiends since the beginning...

2Pac mentions it in one of his interviews...While rolling a blunt, 2Pac tells the interviewer that all he smokes is weed, but some of these other rappers be on some other shyt...

And 2Pac knew damn near every rapper of his era...

What kept 90's rappers on a level was the remnants of the Civil Rights movement of the 60's...Because of the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, 5% teachings we were able to get aggressive content mixed with social consciousness and decency...And the music was on a higher gear compared to now...

Now that The Civil Rights movement has been GREATLY diluted, and that influence is no longer prominent, the people are functioning at a lower gear, and it is reflected in the music...

People just want to be numb mindless consumers...This is reflected in the music...

 

[Mr. Negative]

Eh I say it was when rappers started making basketball money..... corporations began getting the free promotion and the rest is history..... Nagas was talking but doin coke on that old as white lines song. With the decline of lyricism in rap people have forgotten the lost art of innuendo...Everyone knew Rick James Was singin bout pack on Mary Jane..... It always been around but if you aren't skilled with the pen and your vocabulary is limited you can only say I pop pills so many ways...... I knew philly nagas been fukkin with xanis and percs since they was in dikkie work shirts and guess jeans with pencil pockets...... blame the decline in lyricism

Cats act like Kurtis Blow never existed, right

 

[151_Pr00f]

Another thing I notice is how blatant drug references have become in rap. It's not referenced as innuendo as one poster had mentioned earlier in this thread and its like the ENTIRE song is dedicated to drugs...

 

[Asicz]

The advent of Joe Budden.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

1988......

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[spliz]

Always been cool

no it hasn't.

 

[spliz]

Outside of crack and H doing drugs was always a thing.

You did at one point have these fake ass mafia rappers trying to give off that "don't get high on your own supply" but that was bullshyt

Son did u start listening to rap in 07? Just stop already it never was "cool" in hip hop to be hooked on hard drugs before this gen.

 

[ISO]

She's talking about dope fiends breh
People who smoke weed have never been referred to as dope fiends.
Show me these examples from the 80s/90s about rappers bragging about being addicted to crack or heroin or some drug other than weed/alcohol
I'll spot you Cash Money - I'm not familar with their catalog at all - but I've heard others on here say that they used to rhyme about using heroin.
First time I remember is the X wave in 2000-2002. And sipping on some sizzur by 36 UGK. Which i think was 2000?

Wu-Tang and dust?

 

[R-Typ3]

This is one of hip hop's many ills that I can honestly say isn't the "younger generation's fault".

This sh!t dates back to the early-mid 80s. THAT was the era when doing ANY type of drug was frowned upon in rap.

Weed was routinely clowned, alcohol was semi clowned, and ALL hard drugs were absolutely abhorred.

It was nothing to listen to raps back then and constantly hear a rapper talking sh!t about the n!gga in class high off weed, etc etc.

And that was the norm, that was what was "cool" - to be sober and clear headed.

Then, somewhere in the early 90s (OP must be a baby talking about the dope talk started in the early 00's lol), drugs became something to BRAG about.

If you ask me, I think the crack epidemic and the money that hood n!ggas made off of it speared this whole glorification of drugs. Many of those same cats became rappers and that's what they rapped about... or.. they inspired rappers who grew up next to the drug dealers to rap about.glorify it.

Drugs and music have always been hand in hand...it may seem like the older generation was quiet about the shyt back then, but hip hop was still a underground thang so unless u was down u wouldn't catch all the twists..