When unchecked liberalism goes wrong: study finds anti-bullying programs lead to MORE bullying

[TLOL is back]

Yes. Worry about your own kids not others.

So we're not supposed to have any morals? Having morals is liberalism?

When it gets out of hand parents/teachers get involved

Wrong.

 

[DEAD7]

Brehs are seriously making cases for "let the other kids get bullied" and "being against bullying is liberal propaganda".

Let the free market sort it out

I'm making the case that gvt intervention makes things worse, as the evidence shows.
As usual though emotion is trumping logic.



@ niqqas trying to pretend state intervention isn't the name of the democrats game.

 

[mbewane]

I'm making the case that gvt intervention makes things worse, as the evidence shows.
As usual though emotion is trumping logic.


@ niqqas trying to pretend state intervention isn't the name of the democrats game.

What's the alternative you suggest? The invisible hand?

 

[The Real]

I'm making the case that gvt intervention makes things worse, as the evidence shows.
As usual though emotion is trumping logic.

@ niqqas trying to pretend state intervention isn't the name of the democrats game.

Let's be real- "state intervention" is both an incredibly vague and incoherent concept to apply to this situation, as it often is. Local programs by local governments can't be written off to "the State," and "intervention" here constitutes programs that are meant to reduce not just teasing but actual illegal activity that leads to deaths or serious injuries, which as far as I know is one of the legitimate functions of any government and so not the gov "intervening" into new territory it wasn't previously inhabiting.

IMO, you're a hammer seeing nails everywhere.

 

[DEAD7]

What's the alternative you suggest? The invisible hand?

Is that what we are calling parenting these days?

Let's be real- "state intervention" is both an incredibly vague and incoherent concept to apply to this situation, as it often is. Local programs by local governments can't be written off to "the State," and "intervention" here constitutes programs that are meant to reduce not just teasing but actual illegal activity that leads to deaths or serious injuries, which as far as I know is one of the legitimate functions of any government and so not the gov "intervening" into new territory it wasn't previously inhabiting.

IMO, you're a hammer seeing nails everywhere.

Oh I agree with much of what you just said, I'm saying it doesn't work. Is it right? sure. Does it make us feel good? absolutely. is there a need for it? appears so. Does it work? no.

Its the same with the war on drugs. Noble cause, but complete waste of time of money.

The more of the burden you remove from parents the worst they become at parenting... then you remove more to compensate, and they get worse. It really makes no sense unless you use the emotional argument

 

[Calmye]

how bout kids stop being fakkits?

This is the answer!. Stop punishing kids when they are defending themselves. Figure out who was the aggressor and punish them accordingly. My daughter was being bullied by this girl a grade older then her for about two weeks. When I asked her why the fukk she would let someone disrespect her like that she told me
"well if I fight back ill get in trouble and if I say something ill get in trouble so I just try and stay away from her."
I was floored at that answer coming from her. My little girl is young but she is really strong ,independent, and all about strong female self empowerment. Hearing that she was being bullied was a shock but to hear the reason why it continued and that she felt she had no option but to let it continue was straight up heart breaking.
Anyway I told her to stand up to that little bytch and that somethings are worth getting in trouble over so tell the school and if it continues then beat her ass.

Two months later after letting her teacher know what was up the shyt was still going on. She came to me asking if I would go to the school and I told her "NO!". I said
"you need to stand up for herself or she will never leave you alone and you will never get the respect you deserves."

After about another month of bullying my daughter got sick of it and beat the dog shyt out of that little bytch. The school suspended both of them for 5 days and her and the other little girls are friends now. She was actually at my house the otherday singing karaoke on the xbox with me wife and daughter.

The only real bully stopper is a fist to the fukking jaw.

 

[the cac mamba]

I remember we had to watch this anti-bullying video in 7th grade and that shyt had us in class dying. In the video, a bunch of kids gave this boy a wedgie and made him kiss a tree and shyt. At recess the same day, a group of kids got together, found this kid named Nathan, and I'd be damned........they did the same exact shyt from the video to him .

 

[Dooby]

Bullying is a necessary evil.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Might be one of the few times I agree here.

The whole anti-bullying campaign that has taken root in this country in the past few years actually kinda sickens me and I feel like it speaks volumes about the laziness of not only the parents but the educators and politicians in the US, with regards to education.

If your kid is being fukked with in school, GO DOWN TO THE fukkING SCHOOL and meet with the teachers and the principal and address the fukking situation, and if it continues, you need to take it a step up whether it be with your district reps or your political representation because clearly there is either a problem with management or the system itself.

And if your kid is a problem child who is disrupting the learning process of other children then the problem is YOU.

lol No

 

[mbewane]

Is that what we are calling parenting these days?





Oh I agree with much of what you just said, I'm saying it doesn't work. Is it right? sure. Does it make us feel good? absolutely. is there a need for it? appears so. Does it work? no.

Its the same with the war on drugs. Noble cause, but complete waste of time of money.

The more of the burden you remove from parents the worst they become at parenting... then you remove more to compensate, and they get worse. It really makes no sense unless you use the emotional argument

Parenting who, the victim or the bully? My lil nephew was getting bullied by a group of ten plus kids whose parents didn't give a fukk about what their kids were doing, hell they didn't even show up when the school called them to talk about it. We had to go organize ourselves to go and oick him up after school to make sure shyt didn't get out of hand. Explain again me why my nephew had to suffer from those kids' parents bad parenting?

 

[DEAD7]

Parenting who, the victim or the bully? My lil nephew was getting bullied by a group of ten plus kids whose parents didn't give a fukk about what their kids were doing, hell they didn't even show up when the school called them to talk about it. We had to go organize ourselves to go and oick him up after school to make sure shyt didn't get out of hand. Explain again me why my nephew had to suffer from those kids' parents bad parenting?

I dont really wanna debate the particulars of a situation you are emotionally tied to...

but, I think we must remember in spite of how we may feel that State intervention has made the problem worse... and it was implemented undoubtedly with good intentions.

On a more general level, I dont believe school should be mandatory and the impact forcing kids flying down the wrong road(that dont want to be at school) has on good kids like your nephew is a prime example of why.

 

[mbewane]

I dont really wanna debate the particulars of a situation you are emotionally tied to...

but, I think we must remember in spite of how we may feel that State intervention has made the problem worse... and it was implemented undoubtedly with good intentions.

On a more general level, I dont believe school should be mandatory and the impact forcing kids flying down the wrong road(that dont want to be at school) has on good kids like your nephew is a prime example of why.

Sounds like you're just running around in circles in order to get your argument of "less state no matter what" across. The point is, in my nephew's particular situation the thing is that "the state" was precisely not present at all: no support from teachers, nor from the principal (not that they represent the state anyway), and no single entity we could go ask for help. So, he was basically alone against older and more numerous bullies.

You didn't answer my question: parenting the bully or the victim?

Let's switch it: since "state" intervention doesnt' work (and that you seem to assume that it can't be made better), what alternative would you suggest? "Parenting" is the easy answer, but that's in the long term. How do you help kids who are victims TODAY?

 

[DEAD7]

Sounds like you're just running around in circles in order to get your argument of "less state no matter what" across. The point is, in my nephew's particular situation the thing is that "the state" was precisely not present at all: no support from teachers, nor from the principal (not that they represent the state anyway), and no single entity we could go ask for help. So, he was basically alone against older and more numerous bullies.

You didn't answer my question: parenting the bully or the victim?

Let's switch it: since "state" intervention doesnt' work (and that you seem to assume that it can't be made better), what alternative would you suggest? "Parenting" is the easy answer, but that's in the long term. How do you help kids who are victims TODAY?

I wasn't gonna go in on the state(and its track record), but private schools(who are not covered by state laws) do a MUCH better job of keeping bullying to a minimum.
The reason independent schools are so effective in combating bullying, is because of the contractual relationship the schools have with the kids and parents that says they have to be good citizens both inside and outside of school. If there is bullying outside of school, it is still under the jurisdiction of the school.



"you seem to assume that it can't be made better" This is a gem here. Its simply a matter of evidence, and the evidence doesn't support that rationale.
Have you ever noticed how the state is constantly having to fix its attempts to help? healthcare reform, education reform, immigration reform etc.
I'm sure everyone of you know what reform means, yet you still won't call the state out on its constant failure...

 

[Kritic]

Bullying is a necessary evil.

there's some young niccas who don't play that sh1t.
when i was young and went from public to a new private school them surburb niccas tried that sh1t on me and i smacked the ring leader so hard he became my bestfriend from that day til the day we graduated. had the ring leader been a real real nicca i know he wouldn't have taken that lawse infront of his boys. and me i sure will not take a lawse. well, now i will, but not back then. the outcome would have been disastrous.

bullying comes from people who lack respect. jealous insecure ppl who are looking for anything to start sh1t.

 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

I wasn't gonna go in on the state(and its track record), but private schools(who are not covered by state laws) do a MUCH better job of keeping bullying to a minimum.
The reason independent schools are so effective in combating bullying, is because of the contractual relationship the schools have with the kids and parents that says they have to be good citizens both inside and outside of school. If there is bullying outside of school, it is still under the jurisdiction of the school.

Like Private Schools would report all the crazy shyt that goes on in those schools. nikkaz need tuition money homie