when talking about top nba players why isnt clyde drexler talked about?

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With your logic, why couldn't Phil Jackson turn himself into a Hall of Famer. I mean, he was good at motivating great players and winning championships as a coach, but how come he couldn't be a great player in his own time?

That's wack ass logic. Oakley's game wasn't being a great scorer. He was a tough guy. He could be an enforcer and motivate somebody with talent, but who didn't have the toughness and mental state to use it.

Oakley and Jordan TOGETHER motivated Pippen & Grant to be players they would've never become had they never played with those guys simple as that.

And once again, you keep saying that I said Charles Oakley and Oakley alone motivated Pippen.

You seem to be missing the fact that the other guy (Jordan), that Pippen had to guard everyday and get guarded by in practice everyday, just so happened to be the greatest player in NBA history (arguably).

Yeah, I'm sure that had no effect, right?

Please, if Pippen goes to who drafted him (Seattle) in '87, he's not in the Hall of Fame or even an All-Star.

Jordan, on the other hand was all of those things before he even met Pippen.

But back to Drexler.

Drexler's best year he averaged 28 ppg and 8 boards again, in a Western Conference that still had Magic's Lakers dominating it.

And he's only one of 3 players to score 20,000 and have over 6,000 boards and assists.

I'll take Clyde.

im not even arguing the idea that your surroundings mold you into being better. i can even see if you said that pippen wouldnt have made that top 50 list if he wasnt under oakley & jordan's wing. but to say that he would never be an all-star and all that is just bullchit. you crazy man.
 

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because he played for the Blazers for most of his career and he played against Jordan his whole caerre in the same position
 

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People said that without mike to take away the defensive attention Pippen would struggle to maintain the same efficiency, but in reality he shot better without him.


1992-1993 With Jordan
Scottie Pippen 18.6/47.3%

1993-94 (w/o Jordan)
Pippen 22.0/49.1%


Compare that to let's say Gasol without Kobe

2007-08 Season
Grizzles (39 games): .501 FG%, .566 TS%
Lakers (27 games): .589 FG%, .639 TS%


Last 3 years with Memphis Grizzles
.514 FG%
.570 TS%

First 4 years with Los Angeles Lakers
.548 FG%
.604 TS%

It's night and day. This idea that Jordan "made" Pippen is laughable
 

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People said that without mike to take away the defensive attention Pippen would struggle to maintain the same efficiency, but in reality he shot better without him.


1992-1993 With Jordan
Scottie Pippen 18.6/47.3%

1993-94 (w/o Jordan)
Pippen 22.0/49.1%


Compare that to let's say Gasol without Kobe

2007-08 Season
Grizzles (39 games): .501 FG%, .566 TS%
Lakers (27 games): .589 FG%, .639 TS%


Last 3 years with Memphis Grizzles
.514 FG%
.570 TS%

First 4 years with Los Angeles Lakers
.548 FG%
.604 TS%

It's night and day. This idea that Jordan "made" Pippen is laughable

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im not even arguing the idea that your surroundings mold you into being better. i can even see if you said that pippen wouldnt have made that top 50 list if he wasnt under oakley & jordan's wing. but to say that he would never be an all-star and all that is just bullchit. you crazy man.

Pippen averaged 7 points a game as a rookie. Seattle's rookie Derrick McKey was better early on.

People said that without mike to take away the defensive attention Pippen would struggle to maintain the same efficiency, but in reality he shot better without him.


1992-1993 With Jordan
Scottie Pippen 18.6/47.3%

1993-94 (w/o Jordan)
Pippen 22.0/49.1%


Compare that to let's say Gasol without Kobe

2007-08 Season
Grizzles (39 games): .501 FG%, .566 TS%
Lakers (27 games): .589 FG%, .639 TS%


Last 3 years with Memphis Grizzles
.514 FG%
.570 TS%

First 4 years with Los Angeles Lakers
.548 FG%
.604 TS%

It's night and day. This idea that Jordan "made" Pippen is laughable

First of all, Jordan and Pippen played comparable positions (SG/SF) vs. Kobe and Gasol playing SG and Center, respectively.

Plus you're comparing this era of the NBA doing everything they can to stifle the big man's production (hence no 20-10 big men in for the first time in NBA history) with the '80s when Jordan and Pippen were young players? Really?

Pau Gasol was the Rookie of the Year in the NBA BEFORE he even met Kobe.

He was an All-Star BEFORE he met Kobe.

To compare that to Pippen who averaged 7 points a game as 23 year old rookie and who didn't even out play the rookie of the team that traded him (Seattle) is laughable.

Gasol was successful before Kobe. Pippen was not successful before Jordan and was in his prime on a team that had just won 3 straight championships, with a Hall of Fame coach when he finally got his chance to be "the man".

Horrible comparison.
 

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Pippen averaged 7 points a game as a rookie. Seattle's rookie Derrick McKey was better early on.



First of all, Jordan and Pippen played comparable positions (SG/SF) vs. Kobe and Gasol playing SG and Center, respectively.

Plus you're comparing this era of the NBA doing everything they can to stifle the big man's production (hence no 20-10 big men in for the first time in NBA history) with the '80s when Jordan and Pippen were young players? Really?

Pau Gasol was the Rookie of the Year in the NBA BEFORE he even met Kobe.

He was an All-Star BEFORE he met Kobe.

To compare that to Pippen who averaged 7 points a game as 23 year old rookie and who didn't even out play the rookie of the team that traded him (Seattle) is laughable.

Gasol was successful before Kobe. Pippen was not successful before Jordan and was in his prime on a team that had just won 3 straight championships, with a Hall of Fame coach when he finally got his chance to be "the man".

Horrible comparison.
What success?

He made one all star team/no ALL NBA teams and never won a playoff game:deadrose:

Then he gets traded to LA and becomes one of the best bigs in the league. His efficiency sky rockets playing next to Kobe while pippens efficiency got better without Mike

Compared to Pippen who was all nba first team/top 3 in MVP voting/ and was one shytty call away from the ECF without Jordan.

If any one guy "made" someone it's Kobe to Gasol
 

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so if mckey was on the bulls, he would be better than pippen?

:popcorn:

It's possible.

Pippen would've been stuck behind all-stars Tom Chambers and Xavier McDaniels and Dale Ellis. He might not have gotten much playing time at that point, so who knows. Without guarding Michael Jordan everyday in practice and being guarded by Michael Jordan everyday in practice. I'm not sure he would've ever turned into an all-star player.

Who knows.

I know he wouldn't be a Hall of Famer without Jordan and that's what counts. Clyde Drexler was a Hall of Famer on his own accord.

What success?

He made one all star team/no ALL NBA teams and never won a playoff game:deadrose:

Then he gets traded to LA and becomes one of the best bigs in the league. His efficiency sky rockets playing next to Kobe while pippens efficiency got better without Mike

Compared to Pippen who was all nba first team/top 3 in MVP voting/ and was one shytty call away from the ECF without Jordan.

If any one guy "made" someone it's Kobe to Gasol

So, being Rookie of the Year and an All-star isn't being successful in the NBA?

How do you make somebody who's an All-Star ALREADY and a Rookie of the Year ALREADy.

You're comparing that to Pippen who averaged 7 ppg as a rookie?

:aicmon:
 

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90s guard tiers IMO...IN the 90s

Tier zero:
Jordan

Tier 1:
Iverson
Magic
Drexler
Payton
Isiah
Stockton

Tier 2:
Reggie
Petrovic
Mitch
Kobe
Dumars
Spreewell
Penny
Kidd
Tim hardaway

Tier 3:
Stackhouse
Ray allen
Vince
Kj
Mitch
Mark price
Rod strickland

Some are gray between 1-2 (both hardaways) and 2-3 (ray, spree)

Reggier a clear cut tier 2 but ray allen is blurred between 2 and 3...go smack ya self for that...Ray > Miller at everything
 
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