When I watch Giannis play, I dont see a 2x MVP at age 25

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Young Lebron was a more complete player but I like how y’all conveniently forget what it took for even Lebron to break through and win:comeon:. Yet your expecting Giannis to win with Middleton as his running mate in a league where multiple top 10 players team up:skip:

At least Giannis is getting eliminated by Kawhi and KD and teams with bonafide dawgs. And not like Dwight Howard :pachaha:
2009 dwight > 2021 Giannis
 
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Y’all really gotta stop discrediting nikkas.

The Nets are a G.O.A.T. team they recorded the highest offensive rating in NBA history this year. This is a very tough opponent for Giannis. He’s an underdog in this series.

Giannis has his limitations but his team is doing him no favors shooting below 25% from 3 through the first two games.

Haha nobody wants to hear this shyt

He’s on the verge of finishing his 4th straight season coming up small against 4 different teams with their own unique circumstances. Wow!

This is the first year that the other team’s opposing player is believed to be someone who may be better than him in real time...Then again they aren’t even facing their whole team lol What happened to everyone being so big on The Bucks? Funny how everything becomes Middleton Middleton but he’s the ONLY reason they didn’t get swept last year. That was the best Bucks postseason performance I’ve seen in years

Hell if Middleton doesn’t hit that shot we all know Giannis couldn’t to ice game 1 vs Miami WHO KNOWS what that turns into

Every year this team is like top 5 in defensive/offensive rating but it magically falls apart

Dirk has less accolades, better playoff showings and took his team further pre 2011 and still used to get COOKED

There isn’t a game or series he’s been a part of that can be pointed to as an indicator that this guy is what his billing is.

It’s one thing to be a one man show that can’t win. It’s another thing when you can’t rise & shine at all in favorable conditions
 
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I support where you're coming from but Giannis gotta eat some of this and its not about discrediting him:

•why is he settling for threes and long twos against an undersized opposing front line?

•why does his finishing that is uber-elite in the regular season, take a hefty step down against elite competition, postseason after postseason?

•why is his already poor free throw shooting getting substantially worse in the playoffs?

•why does he always have this "deer in headlights" look when his team is getting run? Where is that regular season intensity?
If nikkas are getting smoked that's gonna be the vibe. I don't know a player tha

•why won't he put his foot down and take the Durant assignment when Durant is heating up, instead of leaving poor Jrue to get carved up? Why won't he put his foot down with Bud on playing every minute required because his team's fate depends on it? Where is his assertiveness, why the fukk is he so passive?

.........

I mean I can keep going but come on, g. Dude has to hold his accountability in the Bucks annual playoff free fall. Its not about discrediting him, and while his team isn't giving him yhe best to work with, where is HIS big performances to energize his squad and rally the troops?

When is Giannis gonna have that "I'm here" moment that all players with his trophy collection have?

Why exclude him from criticism when other players of his assumed caliber (ahem, David Robinson) didn't get these passes?
He's shooting 93% (12 of 13) at the rim in this series. In other years it's been the same story the "wall" defense with his teammates not hitting perimeter shots. His last game his first half was bad he only had 6 points. The Nets defense has come out to play (BG did a solid job 1-on-1 last game, Claxton has been somewhat of a secret weapon) and his teammates not hitting perimeter shots makes it easier to load up on him and the Nets hitting everything didn't help.

As for guarding KD, that man is unguardable in spacing one-on-one. Giannis has had possessions on him and has gotten cooked. Jrue is supposed to be the one-on-one perimeter stopper and in the past we've seen smaller guys (Tony Allen, CP3, Tucker) take KD's base out and force him into J's and TO's. Clippers tried it with Pat Bev last year. Bud also played zone against the Nets which they easily destroyed and part of the reason why the game was a blow out. Between his rotations and stupid decisions like that dude might get fired after this series.

I agree I would like to see Giannis play all 48 and the FT shooting is an issue. Still the way players are critiqued today is a different animal shyt is OD. :mjlol:

I don't think Giannis is used properly and I don't think he has the right pieces to win (he needs someone like a Dame, Kyrie, Steph, Trae, etc.) next to him. I don't expect him to win a title with Khris Middleton and any time some one loses a series there's shyt to nitpick.
 
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I don't see how people aren't seeing the patterns here. Almost every MVP-level player has some glaring weakness the media and/or fans felt like would stop them from winning for the rest of their careers. Myself included.

I'm convinced that's not the case now. The only thing stopping MVP-level players from winning is not being on a good enough team to do so.
Yeah, this shyt is getting old at this point.
 

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Yeah, this shyt is getting old at this point.
They act LeBron was winning championships with Big Z and Mo Williams. :comeon:

No reason a prime Giannis with a Trae or Luka couldn't happen in the future and flip the entire narrative.
 
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He's shooting 93% (12 of 13) at the rim in this series. In other years it's been the same story the "wall" defense with his teammates not hitting perimeter shots. His last game his first half was bad he only had 6 points. The Nets defense has come out to play (BG did a solid job 1-on-1 last game, Claxton has been somewhat of a secret weapon) and his teammates not hitting perimeter shots makes it easier to load up on him and the Nets hitting everything didn't help.

As for guarding KD, that man is unguardable in spacing one-on-one. Giannis has had possessions on him and has gotten cooked. Jrue is supposed to be the one-on-one perimeter stopper and in the past we've seen smaller guys (Tony Allen, CP3, Tucker) take KD's base out and force him into J's and TO's. Clippers tried it with Pat Bev last year. Bud also played zone against the Nets which they easily destroyed and part of the reason why the game was a blow out. Between his rotations and stupid decisions like that dude might get fired after this series.

I agree I would like to see Giannis play all 48 and the FT shooting is an issue. Still the way players are critiqued today is a different animal shyt is OD. :mjlol:

I don't think Giannis is used properly and I don't think he has the right pieces to win (he needs someone like a Dame, Kyrie, Steph, Trae, etc.) next to him. I don't expect him to win a title with Khris Middleton and any time some one loses a series there's shyt to nitpick.

Why are you making Middleton the fall guy for Giannis' shortcomings? Come on bro...

The critique of Giannis is fair game particularly this isn't the first time we've seen him play subpar come playoff time. It isnt the second or the third time, either...
 

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Why are you making Middleton the fall guy for Giannis' shortcomings? Come on bro...

The critique of Giannis is fair game particularly this isn't the first time we've seen him play subpar come playoff time. It isnt the second or the third time, either...
the irony is that Middleton was the main reason behind the bucks only win against the heat in the playoffs last year
 

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Why are you making Middleton the fall guy for Giannis' shortcomings? Come on bro...

The critique of Giannis is fair game particularly this isn't the first time we've seen him play subpar come playoff time. It isnt the second or the third time, either...
It's not really all on Middleton. There's a lot that goes into these games.

Through 2, the Bucks are shooting below 25% from 3 how does that help a paint dominant player like Giannis and how does that help them keep up with a prolific offense?

In the last game Bud threw out a 2-3 defense against the greatest offense in league history in the first half between Kyrie, KD and Harris one of the best shooting teams ever. The Nets end the half up 65-41, hitting 9 threes and shooting 58%. The game at that point is pretty much over shyt like that sets the tone for games and individual performances. The game was a blow out with stagnant play, lack of ball movement, isolations, bricks, unable to get into the paint.
 

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A Giannis stan? Please go back through my post history and try again.

I'm not making a direct comparison to LeBron. I'm saying that people act like these players are horribly flawed until they are teamed with a player that complements them.

You Bron stans gotta stop being so defensive.

Kobe - selfish

Jordan - selfish

Bron - can't shoot, no post game

Shaq - can't hit FTs, lazy

KD - too weak

It goes on and on. Giannis might never be able to "shoot". I don't think that's going to stop him from winning if he has a great PnR player next to him.

He's only 26 and clearly can dominate a game in many different aspects. We'll see if he continues to improve.
You can’t make this shyt up :dead:
 

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You can’t make this shyt up :dead:
Make what up?

I'll fully admit I'm a Kobe stan, that's why he's in my avi. But Giannis? No, not at all.

If I was stan on the level of the person that dapped you, I'd be writing multipage dissertations on him for years on end.
 

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They act LeBron was winning championships with Big Z and Mo Williams. :comeon:

No reason a prime Giannis with a Trae or Luka couldn't happen in the future and flip the entire narrative.

Bron was taking them deep in the playoffs. Gamnis can't get past the second round .

Jrue Holiday > Mo Williams

Middletown > Big Z
 
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It's not really all on Middleton. There's a lot that goes into these games.

Through 2, the Bucks are shooting below 25% from 3 how does that help a paint dominant player like Giannis and how does that help them keep up with a prolific offense?

In the last game Bud threw out a 2-3 defense against the greatest offense in league history in the first half between Kyrie, KD and Harris one of the best shooting teams ever. The Nets end the half up 65-41, hitting 9 threes and shooting 58%. The game at that point is pretty much over shyt like that sets the tone for games and individual performances. The game was a blow out with stagnant play, lack of ball movement, isolations, bricks, unable to get into the paint.

Sign a Supermax then blame it on the ballboy brehs
 
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