When and Why Does Hip Hop = The Entire Black Community

[Wild self]

The consumerism is from the D-Boy era in the 80s. Being fly has always been a part of Hip Hop culture, it just didn't take on the importance that it takes on now. Also, once again I think we received two different messages from the gangsta rap era. To me, I felt like these were the memoirs of survivors of the crack era and even some of its participants. The people that control the culture will portray it as they want in order to get a desired effect from the culture's consumers. Take Pac for example, he's always portrayed merely as a thug, his image is distorted to the point he's deified, vilified, and oversimplified for people who don't know of him. The actual message he was sending was never emphasized because it was positive and a remedy. In fact, you find positive messages in quite a few gangsta rap records. Just because your not playing it safe and giving a raw depiction of what's really going on doesn't make it ignorant(if done correctly of course).

Being fly done went from "My Adidas" to the unrealistic Puff/ Cash Money shyt where there were Bentleys and million dollar houses that took over the late 90s and fukked it up for the regular man, IMO.

People downplay his black power message pre-Death Row era. The balance of positivity and negativity been unbalanced to the point where positive messages are few and far in between. If it was done correctly, we would have seen more Q-Tips "Renaissance" albums and more Nas "Untitiled" concept albums that described the history of black oppression. Hell, these hardcore artists can't even hold to Ice Cube's first few albums.

 

[QuintessentialBM]

Farrakhan helped to kill Malcolm so I never really been keen on him.

But I dunno we've had different experiences with the word. Real nikkas tended to be upstanding individuals where I'm from.

People that always bring out the pitchforks kill me, because what exactly is the alternative? Hip Hop started off good because it was a product of the people whereas today its the establishments best tool. Young black people don't control the culture. Why didn't the older generations invest in Hip Hop rather than criticize? Rap music now is 10x more dangerous than it was in the 90s cuz now this shyt is breeding junkies and zombies of consumerism.

Older black folks(as in the Civil Rights generation) has always hated hip-hop as much as racist whites did before it became a movement too big to stop. The older black folks eventually dropped their beefs seeing that it was fruitless to argue and the Jews decided that they were gonna control and make money of it.

As for when rap started it's demise when the gangsta influence started invading black culture. Very influential artists but very destructive.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Being fly done went from "My Adidas" to the unrealistic Puff/ Cash Money shyt where there were Bentleys and million dollar houses that took over the late 90s and fukked it up for the regular man, IMO.

People downplay his black power message pre-Death Row era. The balance of positivity and negativity been unbalanced to the point where positive messages are few and far in between. If it was done correctly, we would have seen more Q-Tips "Renaissance" albums and more Nas "Untitiled" concept albums that described the history of black oppression. Hell, these hardcore artists can't even hold to Ice Cube's first few albums.

Well now its European designers, its a return to the Dboy influence as that's popular among real dboys. So its not quite out of reach, it just changed from a gold chain, fresh kicks, and a decent clean ride, now its become an ideal and dream everyone wants to live. Perhaps this is by design, who knows?

People definitely downplay his messages, hell the whole concept of the Code of Thug Life was interesting and he had the connections to make it a reality. The thing with gangsta rap is that it has to stay true to its portrayal of the environment. I liken it to an action or suspense movie as opposed to a light hearted comedy or historic drama. Plus if the credibility is real then it makes the messages they do send all the more poignant to the listener. Like I said, if you don't control the culture you can't expect to see its positives as much as its negatives.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Older black folks(as in the Civil Rights generation) has always hated hip-hop as much as racist whites did before it became a movement too big to stop. The older black folks eventually dropped their beefs seeing that it was fruitless to argue and the Jews decided that they were gonna control and make money of it.

As for when rap started it's demise when the gangsta influence started invading black culture. Very influential artists but very destructive.

Breh, I did community service work for C.Delores Tucker my senior year and her Gangsta Rap file was the size of the whole damn drawer. The shyt hit me not only because of irony but because here was someone of the older establishment going through all these lengths to upend the efforts of young black men gettin money who made it out of their warzone like communities by telling tales of those places. Why didn't she or any of the other groups look to understand the message rather than brushing it aside so cacs could buy it up and project it just as they pleased?

The schism between younger/older black generations is highly underrated. Instead of investing in the culture and changing it from within, old cacs in business suits now dictate what is and isn't Hip Hop i.e. popular young black culture.

 

[QuintessentialBM]

Breh, I did community service work for C.Delores Tucker my senior year and her Gangsta Rap file was the size of the whole damn drawer. The shyt hit me not only because of irony but because here was someone of the older establishment going through all these lengths to upend the efforts of young black men gettin money who made it out of their warzone like communities by telling tales of those places. Why didn't she or any of the other groups look to understand the message rather than brushing it aside so cacs could buy it up and project it just as they pleased?

The schism between younger/older black generations is highly underrated. Instead of investing in the culture and changing it from within, old cacs in business suits now dictate what is and isn't Hip Hop i.e. popular young black culture.

A trillion dollar question..... It's the age old story of.... It's not of our generation, we don't like that hippity- hoppity stuff, we don't understand it and we aren't going to try to understand, we want to destroy it...... and then my our generation said.... Well, F**k you old muthaf**kas, we don't give a f**k what you think about our art-form and culture, we will create it, play it and do whatever else we want with it and you will just have to get the f**k over it because this show ain't stopping for anybody.....

That's about how it went..... A trillion dollar mistake.

 

[Grand Cru Boo]

1. You need wikipedia to tell you what Hip Hop is?

2. Hip hop music, also called hip-hop,[1][2]rap music

While often used to refer to rapping, "hip hop" more properly denotes the practice of the entire subculture.[9][10]

Nowhere in the description does it say anything about Hip Hop music being some superior form of rapping than Rap music. Furthermore, why exactly would you want to use improper terminology with what your talking about? Doesn't make any sense to me, Rap music is an element of Hip Hop culture in the same way DJ'ing or Graffiti are. You still didn't answer my question, how do you have Rap music and Hip Hop music classified as two different things when they are the exact same thing in basic practice?

you never supported your original argument. You base your premise on perception.

Secondly to support my claim I used Wiki to give you a reference of what I was referring to. Whether yyou choose to agree or disagree is up to you.


Since I don't find any other reason to go back and forth with a stubborn fool, I guess ill fall back.

You got it

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

you never supported your original argument. You base your premise on perception.

Secondly to support my claim I used Wiki to give you a reference of what I was referring to. Whether yyou choose to agree or disagree is up to you.


Since I don't find any other reason to go back and forth with a stubborn fool, I guess ill fall back.

You got it

What do you mean I never supported my argument? Your own link supported my stance more than it did yours. Nowhere in the link did it say that Hip Hop was a lyrical form of Rap music and Rap music was mindless garbage lacking of lyrical ability as you were trying to say. It said its sometimes another name referring to rap music, that's why I kept asking how can they be two different things when they're the same thing. Not to mention your link also was sure to address the correct way "Hip Hop" should be thought of as which is the culture as a whole.