What’s your opinion on this black conversation talking point?

[Field Marshall Bradley]

No Black Man (or woman) would prefer to live under Jim Crow.

That’s not even the argument

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

The report highlights the fact the the Black family was already disintegrating back in the 20's due to; welfare laws, South-to-North emigration, and the Nation moving to a more industrial economy rather than agricultural after WW1. As it was already on a downward trajectory, the 'Sexual Revolution' of the 60's sped-up the process.

I know the Right uses it disparagingly, but that's because they're pushing an agenda the author never intended, AFAIK.​

Pretty much this…..

 

[Doobie Doo]

So I have some black conservative friends and I tend to identify as a leftist. But basically there’s this common talking point amongst black conservatives and white conservatives as well (of course) basically stating that pre-civil rights movement (1960s) the black family unit was stronger and black people and the culture that we cultivated as a whole was better off than it is today. Going on to state that the Civil Rights movement and the rise of liberalism, militancy, Marxism, socialism etc… ruined the black community. Now obviously I don’t outright disagree with some of the generalities of this statement. Black culture today IS different but there is definitely nuance to this (something a lot of conservatives tend to not like to contend with for some reason).

People stopped going to the businesses in their community and spending money in other communities that wouldn't spend in ours. I don't know what "ism" that falls under but that did happen

 

[MischievousMonkey]

Just look at the stats. Poverty, crime, literacy rates, lifespans... What do they say?

 

[⠀X ⠀]

That’s a big part of it, but we can’t act like things weren’t crazy for a whole lot of us and that we weren’t just a few decades out of slavery, and still dealing with all that trauma. There was still a lot of poverty and broken families. Also at the same time when things changed, a lot of jobs just up and left the major urban cities, leaving Black men unemployed. That was also the time where drugs became huge. So any Black conservative who doesn’t factor that in, is telling half truths.

 

[Wild self]

I bet none of them take accountability for the fact that Reagan is the one that fukked it all up.

They scared that attacking Ronald Reagan and the dopeboys on their block will make them lose clout and credibility.

 

[RickyDiBiase]

Anybody who thinks America has ever practiced Marxism or Socialism on any scale is a moron not worth your time, regardless of the political aisle.

 

[UpAndComing]

Typical Moynihan Report stuff.

Conservatives like to set up a situation where they pit actual Black Progress (Black folks have improved in every measure) against Black Marital Rates.

It's pretty typical for that side to disregard racism, not talk about sexism, and pretend to not understand predatory capitalism.

So as a Dem, Liberal, Progressive, or actual Leftist - you should agree with them - yes, the Black family was better under segregation, but we also got lynched, had no civil rights, could not go to school, could not get most jobs, etc.

No Black Man (or woman) would prefer to live under Jim Crow.

What Leftists need to grapple with, is freedom to live the life you want, also means freedom to not live with each other.

You mean Daniel Patrick Moynihan, a DEMOCRAT, who was a state senator of New York of all places. How do you justify that?

Or are you going with the "not a true Democrat" angle by some arbitrary explanation to discount his point of view?

 

[FTBS]

Black folks and families would be fine if we were left alone. You cant target our men and incarcerate them unjustly, murder us, literally burn businesses to the ground, discriminate in hiring and promotions, take tax dollars that fund education away via white flight, take jobs away, pump the hood with drugs and guns and then try to talk about anything else when it comes to the state of the black family.

Its like knocking someone down and then when they try to get up knocking them back down and then saying "see they are too lazy to get back up". Unfortunately black folks that have been fortunate enough to avoid being knocked down or who were provided a lifeline fall into the trap of thinking it was their work ethic and discipline and not circumstances beyond their own control that got them where they are. Thats the basic lie of conservatism in general.

 

[Wig Twistin Season]

First of all, NOTHING was better for black people in this country pre Civil Rights. So what if we had more married couples if looking at a CAC the wrong way could get you killed with no repercussions to your killers?



Do these doofuses know what Black Codes were?

Black Codes (United States) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Jim Crow?

Jim Crow laws - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Let’s start there. Anyone pushing this narrative, as if black families existed more during a great time in the US, needs their teeth knocked out. It’s a game and we gotta stop playing it.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I bet none of them take accountability for the fact that Reagan is the one that fukked it all up.

At least we got some classic cartoons outta that mess.........and the Crack Epidemic.

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[WIA20XX]

You mean Daniel Patrick Moynihan, a DEMOCRAT, who was a state senator of New York of all places. How do you justify that?

Or are you going with the "not a true Democrat" angle by some arbitrary explanation to discount his point of view?

Justify what?

Moynihan predicted what would happen to the Black Family.
And that prediction came true.

What's there to defend?

I already told ol boy that he needs to concede the point.

Lemme state it plainly, the Civil Rights destroyed the Black Family that existed from about 1865 to 1965.

Are you on record as preferring Jim Crow?

Make it plain

 

[WIA20XX]

That’s not even the argument

That is the argument.

These conservative Black folks want to go back to "When we were colored"

And that means

• Lynching
• Not being able to vote
• Segregated Schools
• Unable to attend college
• Can't even apply to certain jobs

There was no golden age of Black Family AND Civil Rights.

So which do you want?

Working in the fields, you're woman being a maid, cook, and nanny, with your kids going to sub par schools...

Or what we have now?

 

[TL15]

People use the talking point about the black family when actuality ALL family demographics are worse now than they were pre civil rights because America is a shyt hole.

White families aren’t picture perfect thriving while black families are struggling. Shyt is a mess for all of the middle class in this country

 

[NinoBrown]

So I have some black conservative friends and I tend to identify as a leftist. But basically there’s this common talking point amongst black conservatives and white conservatives as well (of course) basically stating that pre-civil rights movement (1960s) the black family unit was stronger and black people and the culture that we cultivated as a whole was better off than it is today. Going on to state that the Civil Rights movement and the rise of liberalism, militancy, Marxism, socialism etc… ruined the black community. Now obviously I don’t outright disagree with some of the generalities of this statement. Black culture today IS different but there is definitely nuance to this (something a lot of conservatives tend to not like to contend with for some reason).

Yeah, by no means were we doing better under Jim Crow. What they conveniently forget is the redlining, workplace discrimination, and the designed war on drugs to unend Black communities...

Not all skin folk is kinfolk