Religion/Spirituality what's with all the atheists on the coli?

[Tommy Knocks]

Oh so you mean birth to your teens? I thought you meant 15 years of consciously following. My bad. Personally I don't consider a person a follower of anything until they question it. So I see no problem with questioning one's faith. After all, if it can't be questioned it's not really faith.

I was raised as a Muslim but it wasn't until I was 19 or 20 that I would say I actually became a Muslim.

I was pretty heavy into it when I was a teen. By then, I'd actually read the entire bible. By college and I decided to read the scriptures that were removed from the bible, like the book of enoch, book of jubilee.

Oh yea. another reason I don't really mess with Christianity and Islam (altho at least islam gave africa great trade in technological advancement and far less exploitation) is this.

The message preached by Missionaries encouraged Africans to rebel against everything that formed the foundation of African family and society. They even preached that salvation could only be obtained through formal work which meant one had to earn a paycheck. The only people who paid for labor at the time were Europeans colonialists. Most missionaries new to Africa believed Africans were lazy and were not using their land adequately so it was in their best interest for Europeans to use it. Some missionaries had developed friendships with local clans and used this to further European causes. Often African chiefs sought advice from missionaries on how to deal with other Europeans seeking treaties. However, the missionaries almost always betrayed their trust.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Once again, fukk BUDDHA.

nikka I dont care, Im not Buddhist.

 

[LionofJudah]

nikka I dont care, Im not Buddhist.

Then why are quoting him? I'm not Muslim, so I don't quote Allah.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Then why are quoting him? I'm not Muslim, so I don't quote Allah.

I'm not devoted to any religion dumb ass, but wise men are wise men regardless. It would be like reading one book in the library and then trying to tell everyone the one book you read is the truth because it said so inside, you can't see how stupid that is, that's on you.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I was pretty heavy into it when I was a teen. By then, I'd actually read the entire bible. By college and I decided to read the scriptures that were removed from the bible, like the book of enoch, book of jubilee.

Oh yea. another reason I don't really mess with Christianity and Islam (altho at least islam gave africa great trade in technological advancement and far less exploitation) is this.

Please don't judge messages by people. Christianity and Islam are not people. They never hurt anyone. It pains me to see people turn away from something potentially good for them because of the actions of others. Nowhere in the Bible or Quran does it say "exploit Africans." If you want to blame Europeans and Arabs, feel free but Christianity and Islam are much more than European people and Arab people, respectively.

I always say the biggest problem with Islam is that it is followed by human beings. Read the message, not the people because you can't apply other people to your own life and that's the purpose of religion.

 

[LionofJudah]

I'm not devoted to any religion dumb ass, but wise men are wise men regardless. It would be like reading one book in the library and then trying to tell everyone the one book you read is the truth because it said so inside, you can't see how stupid that is, that's on you.

So now I'm a 'dumbass' because I'm asking why you quote someone who a philosophy is based after, while you're trying to tell others there is no point in worshipping who THEY worship? Did a priest fukk you in the ass or something during those 15 years to make you hate the God of Israel?

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Please don't judge messages by people. Christianity and Islam are not people. They never hurt anyone. It pains me to see people turn away from something potentially good for them because of the actions of others. Nowhere in the Bible or Quran does it say "exploit Africans." If you want to blame Europeans and Arabs, feel free but Christianity and Islam are much more than European people and Arab people, respectively.

I always say the biggest problem with Islam is that it is followed by human beings. Read the message, not the people because you can't apply other people to your own life and that's the purpose of religion.

Actually. I took that from my experience with christianity, it was good for me during those years, but now that I'm older, I know how to live without it. In fact most of us now a days, because we no longer live in the wilderness of the desert, and are in cities, are born with laws that let us know we are not to eat raw dirty meat, kill, steal, commit adultery. It's thanks to religion we've come this far. However, we've evolved past it imo.

If anything, I think we're about due for a new religion. We usually get one every 1,000 or so years (see human timeline)

 

[Tommy Knocks]

So now I'm a 'dumbass' because I'm asking why you quote someone who a philosophy is based after, while you're trying to tell others there is no point in worshipping who THEY worship? Did a priest fukk you in the ass or something during those 15 years to make you hate the God of Israel?

I didn't say worship buddha. I could have quoted MLK, Einstein, no where did I imply worship of any kind.

and yea, YOUR religion has priests that fukk little boys in the ass. I don't think it's wise to highlight that, buddy.

 

[LionofJudah]

I didn't say worship buddha.

and yea, YOUR religion has priests that fukk little boys in the ass. I don't think it's wise to highlight that, buddy.

So THAT'S what happened...I guess that's why you grew up to be a fakkit.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

So THAT'S what happened...I guess that's why you grew up to be a fakkit.

Keep selling your religion, you're doing a fantastic job.

Nice sig too btw. Could have sworn those white people were the very people that introduced christianity to your ancestors. Without them, you'd actually still be practicing the religion your ancestors invented.

 

[LionofJudah]

Keep selling your religion, you're doing a fantastic job.

Nice sig too btw. Could have sworn those white people were the very people that introduced christianity to your ancestors. Without them, you'd actually still be practicing the religion your ancestors invented.

I don't deal with religion, I deal with the Laws, Statutes, and Commandments given only to the Israelites.

I don't follow Christianity, but if you're saying slavemasters gave the kidnapped Negroes the Bible, I'm going to call you damn liar.

 

[Calmye]

Sure, I understand that, but that's not good enough for me friend. I would hope that if God exists as you describe "it", that it would give me a pass for exercising skepticism and being a critical thinker.

I have no problem with people having faith, but I have a problem with people using that faith to make laws. Would you feel comfortable if some cult member who interpreted the Bible in a way he felt explained the world was going to end next week by God's hand in charge of nuclear weapons? I don't think you'd like to hear him answer a question by saying "I have faith" friend.

I can absolutely Respect that. Though in this and every thread I've made about my faith I've backed it up with more then answering with I have faith

 

[Tommy Knocks]

I don't deal with religion, I deal with the Laws, Statutes, and Commandments given only to the Israelites.

I don't follow Christianity, but if you're saying slavemasters gave the kidnapped Negroes the Bible, I'm going to call you damn liar.

Ah a black israelite.

I got words for you.

1. Israelis have been documenting their movement since ancient egyptian times (they are well known for it) , how come no documentation of their western migration to west africa?
2. Ethiopians (afro-asiatics) have documentation, how come not the western bantus?
3. The documents even went so far as Rome and Russia, yet, still nothing in west africa? por que?
4. The jews, even during slavery (egypt) and oppression (romans) have never, EVER been stripped of their documents. EVER. They crossed the Sinai, went as far as Ethiopia, and yet, have always documented their movements. But alas, nothing found in west africa. what happened was......?

discuss.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Actually. I took that from my experience with christianity, it was good for me during those years, but now that I'm older, I know how to live without it. In fact most of us now a days, because we no longer live in the wilderness of the desert, and are in cities, are born with laws that let us know we are not to eat raw dirty meat, kill, steal, commit adultery. It's thanks to religion we've come this far. However, we've evolved past it imo.

If anything, I think we're about due for a new religion. We usually get one every 1,000 or so years (see human timeline)

I'm glad you credited religion for those things. But you said we get religions every thousand years? It's my understanding that these religions are essentially one in the same. Islam recognizes over 14,000 prophets but they all worshipped God. As time went on, these messages, laws, etc. where forgotten so a new prophet emerged to remind the people once again. So maybe it's good religion is still around because perhaps we may forget how to act as well.

Muhammad is said to be the last of these prophets and his book has been protected, unchanged for 1300 years, word for word, letter for letter. We know the Bible has been changed time and time again and much was lost in translation or as you said, completely omitted. As such, I can understand your skepticism in that regard.

But you, yourself, just credited religion with many good things. So back to my original question to you, is it religion and its teachings (I'm referring to moral teachings) you have a problem with or is it frivolous things like a man walking on water? I think the thing to take from the Bible is how to live, not so much that man can walk on water.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

I'm glad you credited religion for those things. But you said we get religions every thousand years? It's my understanding that these religions are essentially one in the same. Islam recognizes over 14,000 prophets but they all worshipped God. As time went on, these messages, laws, etc. where forgotten so a new prophet emerged to remind the people once again. So maybe it's good religion is still around because perhaps we may forget how to act as well.

Muhammad is said to be the last of these prophets and his book has been protected, unchanged for 1300 years, word for word, letter for letter. We know the Bible has been changed time and time again and much was lost in translation or as you said, completely omitted. As such, I can understand your skepticism in that regard.

But you, yourself, just credited religion with many good things. So back to my original question to you, is it religion and its teachings (I'm referring to moral teachings) you have a problem with or is it frivolous things like a man walking on water? I think the thing to take from the Bible is how to live, not so much that man can walk on water.

First civilization - Egypt. Egypt/Mythology
Second civilization - India. Hinduism.
Third civilization - China. Chinese mythology
Fourth Civilization - Greeks. Greek Mythology > Roman mythology

etc etc. Every region spawned a religion. Romans, came from greek, greek got it's religion from the egyptians, christianity adoped from them as well. The virgin birth wasn't a new concept, in fact all of the religions listed had them. December 25th was a pagan holiday adopted by the christians in the later ADs.