What year did R&B fall off ?
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IllmaticDelta
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Popularity isn't an indication of quality. Who cares how popular they are as long as the music is on point? If you want them to be popular, make them pop like 9th wonder said..
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OK, I just looked through my posting history & I remember I typed out examples of this:
& @IllmaticDelta was actually the poster that would talk about this all the time.
BTW back in 2012, Billboard changed up the formula of their charts. 1 of the major changes they made is that basically the Billboard Hot 100 chart now factors into (& effectively dictates) the Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_R%26B/Hip-Hop_Songs#History
The chart's methodology was changed starting with the October 20, 2012 issue to match that of the Billboard Hot 100, incorporating digital downloads and streaming data (R&B/Hip-Hop Digital Songs) and combining it with airplay of R&B and hip-hop songs across all radio formats (Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay) to determine song position, along with the chart also being shortened to 50 positions.
The chart's methodology was changed starting with the October 20, 2012 issue to match that of the Billboard Hot 100, incorporating digital downloads and streaming data (R&B/Hip-Hop Digital Songs) and combining it with airplay of R&B and hip-hop songs across all radio formats (Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay) to determine song position, along with the chart also being shortened to 50 positions.
IMO the only somewhat good news about this is that you now no longer see songs that are Top 10 hits on the R&B/Hip-Hop chart doing underwhelming on the Hot 100 chart & failing to crossover into pop hits.
The bad news about this is:
1. Songs from white/non-black artists that black folks don't care about, chart way too high on the R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart. A great example of this is:
I have NEVER seen this song or artist talked about at all in The Booth. I have never heard/seen any black person on social media or in real life talk about or bump this song/artist at all. I've never seen any of the urban/hip-hop media outlets that I follow on social media or/and YouTube ever talk about this artist or song. Yet despite all that, this song had been a top 10 hit on the R&B/Hip-Hop chart for months & is still in the top 15.
2. The opposite of #1, Songs & artists that mostly only black folks rock with don't chart as high they would've in the past or don't chart at all.
RnB singers went pop to crossover..2006 when autotune became the culture replacement for traditional black voices trained from the church
Justin Timberlake 2nd album dropped in 06, and it changed the dynamics.
Autotune came in, and cheapened the music quality. Also the same time that these RnB singers transitioned into that techno bullshyt. Usher anyone?
I don't see how this is attributed to jarule, seeing that almost all of his hits had a singer on the hook.
plus, he wasn't the first to do what he did. nor was he as popular as some of his predecessors.
when a lot of r&b singers stopped actually singing, that's when their hook value really went down.
I don't think I did a good enough explaining this problem with the current Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart in this post, but I found a great (but long AF) Pitchfork article from 2014 that explains & breaks down the problem:
https://pitchfork.com/features/article/9378-i-know-you-got-soul-the-trouble-with-billboards-rbhip-hop-chart/
EDIT:
Follow-up Q&A in The New Yorker:
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/sasha-frere-jones/fixing-the-charts
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Rollo Goodlove
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Pretty ricky was the last great rnb act
'98-'99 were the last great years for R&B, sonically that is - this song doesn't sound remotely dated for an R&B record and it's 20 years old
this is when the explosion of pop stars and pop groups came about a lot of R&B acts were dropped to make room on these labels
this is also when the soul in our music died
this is when the explosion of pop stars and pop groups came about a lot of R&B acts were dropped to make room on these labels
this is also when the soul in our music died
Tribal Outkast
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The problem with R&B right now is that you have so many dope ass artists that don’t get the proper co-sign. People always want to say radio is dead but these artists would definitely benefit from radio.. especially if they could get some pop radio looks. Too bad the XM stations can’t be played on regular radio because they always play these lesssr known acts like The Internet, Ro James, etc.. I mean the soul station be killing that Daniel Caesar/H.E.R. Song. Sadly people have to be told what to listen to... it is what it is. Streaming is supposed to be so much better but the only people that are truly benefiting are the stars and people that get super forced on us. I’m sorry but The Internet should be the biggest thing in music right now.
Bill sad yet still slightly intrigued