What year did R&B fall off ?

[AlainLocke]

I feel you completely. It’s very hard finding good soulful music out there today.

Do you check this thread out on the regular?
Essential - Official thread for current/modern R&B based music that's not being heard by the masses/top 40 radio

There’s dope music being posted in there... it’s basically in the same realm of the artists we know about plus stuff that’s kinda not as known.

There are few artists out there that aren’t as known making dope soul music.. like KING, Emily King, Jordan Rakei, Nick Hakim, Chantae Cann, PJ Morton, Phony Ppl, Haitus Kaiyote, Curtis Harding, Jesse Boykins III, etc... I’m sure you know about them.

A lot of Soul music is on Bandcamp...

Thousands of Soul artists on there restoring the 1960s back...

Soul music is just now a niche product....major labels ain't gonna support it unless you are getting a deal in the UK....Europe still listens to it...

 

[brownsugah]

A lot of Soul music is on Bandcamp...

Thousands of Soul artists on there restoring the 1960s back...

Soul music is just now a niche product....major labels ain't gonna support it unless you are getting a deal in the UK....Europe still listens to it...

Like who?

I think “thousands” is pushing it a bit.

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

I agree with this. I always said this.

Hip Hop killled RnB and RnB allowed itself to be swallowed whole and die as the most popular medium of expression for Black musicians.

The last great RnB album was Signs of the Times by Prince. It was made in 1988.

That's probably the last time RnB album before RnB got considered "bedroom music". So RnB became a bunch of sappy love songs.

I also think there is a clear delineation between RnB and Soul.

Soul music died in the 70s along with funk and disco...then it became RnB.

RnB is soul music without the hard gospel, rocknroll and blues influences.


Although...RnB is just industry term for Black music that ain't Hip Hop or Jazz lmao...

Sorry for my comment, that shyt wasn't making any sense. I'm a little confused.
In the 70's R&B was just Soul & Funk i think. Not even Blues.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Contemporary r&b is all R&B with a hiphop grounding. Basically most R&B since about 1985.

I think referring to the youth fusion black music especially of the 90s and 2000s, as "contemporary r&b" is
too vague to have any serious meaning.

Most popular music is "contemporary" to the period in which it was created.

"My Girl" is contemporary to 1965. "Never Too Much" is contemporary to 1981. "Sleeping In My Bed" is contemporary to 1996. "The Weekend" is contemporary to 2017.

"Hip Hop Soul" has been much more accurate as a definition of the 90s/2000s fusion.

Michael Bivins was even more precise and logical when he said BBD was doing: "Hip Hop smoothed out on an r&b tip with a pop appeal to it."

And Frankie Crocker called what he was programming on WBLS "urban contemporary" way back in the 1970s.

FRANKIE CROCKER DIES Deejay helped create 'urban contemporary'

BY
DAVID HINCKLEY
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Monday, October 23, 2000, 12:00 AM

Frankie Crocker, a radio legend whose influence over three decades was matched only by his flamboyance, died Saturday night in Miami. Published reports said he was 63. He had been sick for several months, then hospitalized last month after a diagnosis of pancreatic cancer. At his request, the news was not made public. "He was at peace before he left," his producer, Maurice Singleton, said yesterday. Crocker, who never had a self-confidence problem, im-printed himself on a generation of city listeners as the velvet-voiced "Hollywood," "Love Man" and "Chief Rocker.

" His signature signoff song was "Moody's Mood.

" "Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip," he said. "If Frankie Crocker isn't on your radio, your radio isn't really on.

" He was working for WRKS at the time of his death, but he was best-known for four stints at WBLS, where as afternoon host and program director in the '70s he helped create the influential "urban contemporary" format. This included music from jazz and R&B to Barbra Streisand and disco, and it propelled WBLS to No. 1, topping longtime leader WABC and WKTU. When Crocker returned to WBLS the second time, in 1979, he announced his arrival by riding into Studio 54 on a white horse, wearing a tuxedo. "He was one-of-a-kind," said longtime radio host Imhotep Gary Byrd. "He was the quintessential black-radio personality.

FRANKIE CROCKER DIES Deejay helped create 'urban contemporary'

 

[AlainLocke]

Like who?

I think “thousands” is pushing it a bit.

You ever been on Bandcamp?

It's thousands of artists on there. Most of the shyt on Bandcamp is Soul and Funk music...even 80s style boogie and shyt.. People from Australia, Germany, UK mostly making that shyt.

They even got acts from the 1960s on there still singing and making a living on there.

They even got old 1950s - 1960s records that were never majorly released on there...being sold.

If you want that feeling from the 60s and 70s....it's on Bandcamp.

Got acts on there that is recording with 4 tracks and shyt...buying all the old equipment just to make it sound like it's really from that era...


80s sounding shyt...
Cassette For You, by BOY DUDE


Non-major released compilation album of 60s and 70s Seattle artists...


70s Jazz Funk




Just go look around on there....thousands of artists...

 

[brownsugah]

You ever been on Bandcamp?

It's thousands of artists on there. Most of the shyt on Bandcamp is Soul and Funk music...even 80s style boogie and shyt.. People from Australia, Germany, UK mostly making that shyt.

They even got acts from the 1960s on there still singing and making a living on there.

They even got old 1950s - 1960s records that were never majorly released on there...being sold.

If you want that feeling from the 60s and 70s....it's on Bandcamp.

Got acts on there that is recording with 4 tracks and shyt...buying all the old equipment just to make it sound like it's really from that era...


80s sounding shyt...
Cassette For You, by BOY DUDE


Non-major released compilation album of 60s and 70s Seattle artists...


70s Jazz Funk




Just go look around on there....thousands of artists...

I’ve been on Bandcamp a lot of times searching for artists and there are select few I discovered on there making good soul music. But it’s nowhere near the “thousands” you’re talking about.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I think referring to the youth fusion black music especially of the 90s and 2000s, as "contemporary r&b" is
too vague to have any serious meaning.

Most popular music is "contemporary" to the period in which it was created.

Contemporary R&B (also known as simply R&B), is a music genre that combines elements of pop, rhythm and blues, soul, funk, hip hop, gospel and electronic dance music.

"My Girl" is contemporary to 1965. "Never Too Much" is contemporary to 1981. "Sleeping In My Bed" is contemporary to 1996. "The Weekend" is contemporary to 2017.

while true contemp R&B is really meant to describe HipHop influenced R&B of the 80's to present

"Hip Hop Soul" has been much more accurate as a definition of the 90s/2000s fusion.

yes....that's what the term was mainly used for since the 80's

Michael Bivins was even more precise and logical when he said BBD was doing: "Hip Hop smoothed out on an r&b tip with a pop appeal to it."

he's right

And Frankie Crocker called what he was programming on WBLS "urban contemporary" way back in the 1970s.

FRANKIE CROCKER DIES Deejay helped create 'urban contemporary'

BY
DAVID HINCKLEY
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Monday, October 23, 2000, 12:00 AM

Frankie Crocker, a radio legend whose influence over three decades was matched only by his flamboyance, died Saturday night in Miami. Published reports said he was 63. He had been sick for several months, then hospitalized last month after a diagnosis of pancreatic cancer. At his request, the news was not made public. "He was at peace before he left," his producer, Maurice Singleton, said yesterday. Crocker, who never had a self-confidence problem, im-printed himself on a generation of city listeners as the velvet-voiced "Hollywood," "Love Man" and "Chief Rocker.

" His signature signoff song was "Moody's Mood.

" "Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip," he said. "If Frankie Crocker isn't on your radio, your radio isn't really on.

" He was working for WRKS at the time of his death, but he was best-known for four stints at WBLS, where as afternoon host and program director in the '70s he helped create the influential "urban contemporary" format. This included music from jazz and R&B to Barbra Streisand and disco, and it propelled WBLS to No. 1, topping longtime leader WABC and WKTU. When Crocker returned to WBLS the second time, in 1979, he announced his arrival by riding into Studio 54 on a white horse, wearing a tuxedo. "He was one-of-a-kind," said longtime radio host Imhotep Gary Byrd. "He was the quintessential black-radio personality.

FRANKIE CROCKER DIES Deejay helped create 'urban contemporary'

that was pre hiphop influence though

 

[AlainLocke]

I’ve been on Bandcamp a lot of times searching for artists and there are select few I discovered on there making good soul music. But it’s nowhere near the “thousands” you’re talking about.

You are just picky and don't take your time.

There are literally thousands on there that are just in the general RnB section, majority of that is revivalist artists.

shyt, I sat down and scrolled through the back of the best selling of the RnB section last night for at least 3 hours and got some new shyt from 2015.......

But I am always on Bandcamp since people there record with all the old equipment and I can sample their shyt...

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

I agree with this. I always said this.

Hip Hop killled RnB and RnB allowed itself to be swallowed whole and die as the most popular medium of expression for Black musicians.

The last great RnB album was Signs of the Times by Prince. It was made in 1988.

That's probably the last time RnB album before RnB got considered "bedroom music". So RnB became a bunch of sappy love songs.

I also think there is a clear delineation between RnB and Soul.

Soul music died in the 70s along with funk and disco...then it became RnB.

RnB is soul music without the hard gospel, rocknroll and blues influences. Like Fats and James Brown still had the elements of Gospel and RocknRoll. Usher doesn't have any of that shyt.


Although...RnB is just industry term for Black music that ain't Hip Hop, Rock, Blues, Gospel or Jazz lmao...

You make good points here.

I would stipulate though that Hip Hop didn't kill soul/r&b -- the rap industry that developed after rapper-focused music became popular, moved r&b from its position of prominence.

Admittedly coming from the NYC b boy end of the Hip Hop nation, our party experiences
place "Good Times," "Funky Drummer" "Impeach The President," "Super Sperm" "I Want To Thank You,"
"Love Is The Message," "Set It Off," "Dance To The Drummers Beat" at the center of what drove us to
love the music, the scene, the culture.

It was all soul, r&b, and funk based.

James Brown was resurrected to God-like status by Herc, Flash and the b boys/b girls.

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

You are just picky and don't take your time.

There are thousands on there that are just in the general RnB section, majority of that is revivalist artists.

shyt, I was sat down and scrolled through the back of the best selling of the RnB section last night for at least 3 hours and got some new shyt.......

But I am always on Bandcamp since people there record with all the old equipment and I can sample their shyt...

So you sample new shyt?
If it sounds like the old ish its not a problem at all i think.
I had people telling me i shouldn't sample music from the 90's but i really don't care anymore.

 

[King Sun]

R&B died when autotune hit the scene. Good thing its coming back

 

[brownsugah]

You are just picky and don't take your time.

There are literally thousands on there that are just in the general RnB section, majority of that is revivalist artists.

shyt, I sat down and scrolled through the back of the best selling of the RnB section last night for at least 3 hours and got some new shyt from 2015.......

But I am always on Bandcamp since people there record with all the old equipment and I can sample their shyt...

Hell yeah im picky because I don’t listen to music just to listen to music, and go through the motions. It has to move me. There’s the difference.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

2006

I was gonna say 07 - Lloyd dropped streeet love, dream and neyo were still dropping fire...then it all went to shyt


But the past few years there has been some great r&b, unfortunately it's not given burn on mainstream radio or much promo. You gotta be tapped in or heavy with the exploration on streaming services or blogs.

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

R&B died when autotune hit the scene. Good thing its coming back

That might be the whole truth about R&B.
But i think Hip-Hop culture fully died when Trap came on the scene personally.

I really don't believe it's coming back. I feel like music is getting worser and worser with each day that goes by.

Yeah go call me an a$$hole but that's just my truth.

 

[AlainLocke]

So you sample new shyt?
If it sounds like the old ish its not a problem at all i think.
I had people telling me i shouldn't sample music from the 90's but i really don't care anymore.

Breh...I've sampled shyt straight off of YouTube....

But yeah man...sample new shyt sounding old shyt...

There's producers like Frank Dukes that get a majority of his credits by creating sampling material for other producers to sample....