What ya'll think of Omar Epps "skirt" explanation?

[Chesirecatdaddy]

But couldn't those studies be propaganda too?

Could be my friend

I highly doubt it... since these studies help all these companies talior viewership by creating new shows that will appeal to audiences (nielson)

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

WTF is this?

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

WTF is this?

"Hood" by air my nikka.... yeah this that 2020 hood shyt... ambiguously gay nikkaz w uzis

 

[sun raw]

Blackface is something beind one by whites

The other is something being done by black males that millions of young impressionable minds look up to.

Also Deflection will never make this topic go away because it isn't new.

Yeah Pac was smart but he never touched on topics of Gender roles ... but I'm willing to bet if he was a live today he wouldn't be co-signing dudes wearing skirts... He'd be denouncing it and also denouncing the effeminization of straight black males, since this would create a more docile and passive group of minorities.

Forgot to mention but Pac definitely touched on gender roles, Dear Mama and Keep Ya Head Up being two examples

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

I don't think it's wishful thinking, I think pac was a smart dude who knew what he was doing and even if it was somehow all unintentional (which I doubt), it's the image he put out.

Personally I think that blackface making a comeback is much more concerning than some dude wearing a skirt. There's an ocean of difference between Martin Lawrence in Big Momma's House and Kanye in a kilt/skirt/skilt(?)

you go at problems from all angles when you use strategy. Just because they do different things doesn't mean it isn't just as sinister. The puppets play their part without ever seeing the strings... even Kanye who calls himself a new slave plays right into shyt...all these cats trying to be so avant garde that they cross boundaries that a lot of people with money wouldn't mind them crossing.

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

Forgot to mention but Pac definitely touched on gender roles, Dear Mama and Keep Ya Head Up being two examples

yeah he did... I really meant the diminishment of the male Gender role or it's importance.

He always referred to nikkaz as soldiers and shyt.

The black woman has always had to pick up slack for the lack of black males for a very long time... but yet he never really blames that on men.. he blames it on the current state of black males due to oppression.

 

[Poitier]

yThe puppets play their part without ever seeing the strings...

I just don't think it's deliberate as you think. I don't think someone planted the idea of being androgynous to Kanye, rather he's mimicking the European crowd he hangs around.

I don't think Viacom gives Mona Scott as many ratchet shows as she wants to create on VH1 to destroy Black people, but because they pull in ratings. Heck, this thread is doing numbers because Black people are easily engaged by c00nery and flamboyancy.

This is my fundamental issue, Black culture is destructive but only until Black people take up agency and responsibility, this isn't going to get any better.

At the end of the day, a Black man wearing a skirt is the least of our concerns. We live in a hyper aware, futuristic world where people are trying to be as outrageous and forward thinking to stand out. A lot of conventional norms are going to keep going by the wayside as we move forward in time. Instead of tripping on this, how about Black people focus on a autonomous economy?

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

I just don't think it's deliberate as you think. I don't think someone planted the idea of being androgynous to Kanye, rather he's mimicking the European crowd he hangs around.

I don't think Viacom gives Mona Scott as many ratchet shows as she wants to create on VH1 to destroy Black people, but because they pull in ratings. Heck, this thread is doing numbers because Black people are easily engaged by c00nery and flamboyancy.

This is my fundamental issue, Black culture is destructive but only until Black people take up agency and responsibility, this isn't going to get any better.

At the end of the day, a Black man wearing a skirt is the least of our concerns. We live in a hyper aware, futuristic world where people are trying to be as outrageous and forward thinking to stand out. A lot of conventional norms are going to keep going by the wayside as we move forward in time. Instead of tripping on this, how about Black people focus on a autonomous economy?

I'm not saying it's deliberate in the fact that he's emulating european fashion designers... It's deliberate that it's an image that they would like to push. The same way it's deliberate that they would put a major machine behind Chief keef when dude raps like a fukking kindergartner .

You take one Image and you throw money at it to amplify that image.... people will eat it up. Black culture was not always destructive.... Art doesn't just imitate life... life can imitate art the same way. I agree that responsibility has to be taken... but guess what? When you're a single parent and you can't control those influencing your kids because you're not around what do you think is going to happen? you know the answer.. Then in 15 years you have someone who thinks a lot different than their predecessor. The magic number is 15 and and propaganda ministers have admitted this themselves... it takes 15 years to program a nation or group of people... by the time 30 years passes you have a group of people who mentally and morally completely different than those who came before them. Lack of morality (doesn't matter where u get it from) erodes people. That single mother made bad choices because she thought those choices were cool, that absentee father did the same shyt.

I agree that Autonomous economy should be a primary focus... but when the problems are multi pronged... the solutions should also be. Money won't automatically make you responsible or turn you into a good parent.

 

[Lavish]

His explanation is retarded.

1.. if he really wanted to dress like some african like he claims. he should of came out in full attire. this nikka wearing a suit with a skirt made in europe.

2. If he wanna wear a skirt...go head, but dont go using us africans as a scape goat. Ive never seen a man in a skirt and id never wear a skirt. and if these nikkas really did wear that sh!t back in the day it was probably just a way for them to cover there meat. Anything they can find to cover that sh!t will do, type of thing.

Im a fan of Omar but he need to get all the way the fukk outta here with that bullshyt.

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

His explanation is retarded.

1.. if he really wanted to dress like some african like he claims. he should of came out in full attire. this nikka wearing a suit with a skirt made in europe.

2. If he wanna wear a skirt...go head, but dont go using us africans as a scape goat. Ive never seen a man in a skirt and id never wear a skirt. and if these nikkas really did wear that sh!t back in the day it was probably just a way for them to cover there meat. Anything they can find to cover that sh!t will do, type of thing.

Im a fan of Omar but he need to get all the way the fukk outta here with that bullshyt.

40+ cat does not need to be out here mimicking youngbucks period either.

 

[Poitier]

I'm not saying it's deliberate in the fact that he's emulating european fashion designers... It's deliberate that it's an image that they would like to push. The same way it's deliberate that they would put a major machine behind Chief keef when dude raps like a fukking kindergartner .

You take one Image and you throw money at it to amplify that image.... people will eat it up. Black culture was not always destructive.... Art doesn't just imitate life... life can imitate art the same way. I agree that responsibility has to be taken... but guess what? When you're a single parent and you can't control those influencing your kids because you're not around what do you think is going to happen? you know the answer.. Then in 15 years you have someone who thinks a lot different than their predecessor. The magic number is 15 and and propaganda ministers have admitted this themselves... it takes 15 years to program a nation or group of people... by the time 30 years passes you have a group of people who mentally and morally completely different than those who came before them. Lack of morality (doesn't matter where u get it from) erodes people. That single mother made bad choices because she thought those choices were cool, that absentee father did the same shyt.

I agree that Autonomous economy should be a primary focus... but when the problems are multi pronged... the solutions should also be. Money won't automatically make you responsible or turn you into a good parent.

I just don't know man. I don't think they come up with a image and then push people to accept it. People create it in sub-communities and the public accept it willingly and actively engage it. People WANT outrageous shyt like Chief Keef pointing guns in every video, Kanye wearing a skirt gives him infinite press. If they had that much control then every industry plant that they come up with would do numbers. It's easy to create hype and outrage in the Black community because most of us aren't self-aware (which is a damn shame)

And as far as single parents? How about we tackle family structure then, instead of using it as an excuse why we can't control what our kids consume? How is demanding Omar Epp explain why he wore a skirt any important to progression of our community? Lord Jamar got yall focused on the wrong stuff (not to mention being a homosexual on Oz)

I mean you're describing the sheep but you seem like a pretty self-aware person. It's up to people like us to stop making excuses and coming up with these narratives that are nothing but excuse builders.

Also, having money doesn't make you a good parent but it sure does help.

 

[sun raw]

you go at problems from all angles when you use strategy. Just because they do different things doesn't mean it isn't just as sinister. The puppets play their part without ever seeing the strings... even Kanye who calls himself a new slave plays right into shyt...all these cats trying to be so avant garde that they cross boundaries that a lot of people with money wouldn't mind them crossing.

Kanye's cool because he embraces all of his contradictions. He'll call himself a new slave and say fukk the Hamptons when he's hanging out at places that make the Hamptons look like a playground. He's a dude that fully embodies *russian accent* opulence. We live in an age where being openly subversive isn't really subversive anymore. Rather Kanye is subversive in that he overidentifies with wealth to an extreme, including all the negative aspects.

I'm deeply concerned with the way minorities are portrayed in popular media, movies are my shyt. But I also think this slash-and-burn tactic where certain images are unambiguously bad and they have to be purged is the wrong way to go about it. People have been able to read a subversive element to Stepin Fechit and that's pretty cool.

I think you overestimate the degree to which mainstream culture is accepting of 'avant-garde' blacks. People may know who Basquiat was but you look at his work and he had some really intense stuff going on. He wasn't hiding from race at all. The Basquiat that everyone knows now is a more neutered one, his name itself brings up in mind an aesthetic without the politics.

 

[Lavish]

40+ cat does not need to be out here mimicking youngbucks period either.

Ive never believed in that illuminati bullsh!t...but ive been noticing alot of strange sh!t with these successful actors and actresses man

its only a matter of time before a some nikka come out in a Tu-Tu actin like sh!t normal

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

I just don't know man. I don't think they come up with a image and then push people to accept it. People create it in sub-communities and the public accept it willingly and actively engage it. People WANT outrageous shyt like Chief Keef pointing guns in every video, Kanye wearing a skirt gives him infinite press. If they had that much control then every industry plant that they come up with would do numbers. It's easy to create hype and outrage in the Black community because most of us aren't self-aware (which is a damn shame)

And as far as single parents? How about we tackle family structure then, instead of using it as an excuse why we can't control what our kids consume? How is demanding Omar Epp explain why he wore a skirt any important to progression of our community? Lord Jamar got yall focused on the wrong stuff (not to mention being a homosexual on Oz)

I mean you're describing the sheep but you seem like a pretty self-aware person. It's up to people like us to stop making excuses and coming up with these narratives that are nothing but excuse builders.

Also, having money doesn't make you a good parent but it sure does help.

They don't create the image... they take advantage and use it.

I'm definitely not saying to use things as an excuse... but to recognize things. If you can't identify what's going on around you then you are bound to be victimized by it. Lord Jamar wasn't the first person to identify this kind of fukkery and Omar Epps just was emulating stupidity because of lack of common sense. It's the overall point and message that's being put out there that's being attacked.

If you sit by idley like nothing is going on then nothing will change. If I never knew mcdonalds burgers was killing me I'd work out get brolic and think I was healthy... yet I'd be unhealthy as ever. You can't blame McDonalds because they're a corporation and they'll do what it takes to maximize profit because that's the end goal. I'll blame myself for not asking the right questions and just eating any old thing. Once I do that and everyone is aware.. Mcdonalds will follow suit. Everyone is to blame... especially ourselves we deserve the MOST blame. That's why there's some of this outrage... bc ppl look up to these rich black men and think they know what's going on.. they don't.

I just wish people wouldn't just write things off because it sounds absurd or too sinister to be true. Just because the average person doesn't think like that.. doesn't mean there's not someone perverse enough to do just that. When you have a crazy end goal in mind you can do anything to reach it.

Example is the refined sugar industry back in the days.. these dudes had scientists straight up lie for decades about the harms of sugar.... then when there was pressure they created artificial sugars... then when the govt wouldn't approve artificial sugars they put their own ppl in govt and approved artificial sugars even tho it killed any animal they tested it on.

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

Kanye's cool because he embraces all of his contradictions. He'll call himself a new slave and say fukk the Hamptons when he's hanging out at places that make the Hamptons look like a playground. He's a dude that fully embodies *russian accent* opulence. We live in an age where being openly subversive isn't really subversive anymore. Rather Kanye is subversive in that he overidentifies with wealth to an extreme, including all the negative aspects.

I'm deeply concerned with the way minorities are portrayed in popular media, movies are my shyt. But I also think this slash-and-burn tactic where certain images are unambiguously bad and they have to be purged is the wrong way to go about it. People have been able to read a subversive element to Stepin Fechit and that's pretty cool.

I think you overestimate the degree to which mainstream culture is accepting of 'avant-garde' blacks. People may know who Basquiat was but you look at his work and he had some really intense stuff going on. He wasn't hiding from race at all. The Basquiat that everyone knows now is a more neutered one, his name itself brings up in mind an aesthetic without the politics.

Dapped u cuz u make good points.

I don't overestimate tho because right now isn't what matters... the future is what matters. Things are always planned over the course of years.. Kayne might plan his career a year at a time. but the higher the stakes the longer the stretch of time you plan things for. So while Kanye might no influence that majority... he'll influence enough people in his 15+ year run to create artists just like him... and that small amount of kanyes grows ever so larger.