What Pakistan Knew About Bin Laden

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/21/opinion/bergen-bin-laden-new-york-times/

Editor's note: Peter Bergen is CNN's national security analyst, a director at the New America Foundation and the author of"Manhunt: The Ten-Year Search for bin Laden -- From 9/11 to Abbottabad."

(CNN) -- The New York Times magazine is running a bombshell story alleging that the Pakistanis knew all along that Osama bin Laden was living for years in his longtime hiding place in the northern Pakistan city of Abbottabad, where he was killed by a U.S. Navy SEAL team on May 2, 2011.

The Times story, titled "What Pakistan Knew About bin Laden," will carry weight: It was written by Carlotta Gall, the dean of the correspondents who have covered Afghanistan and Pakistan since that fateful day in 2001, when al Qaeda's four hijacked planes crashed through America's comfortable sense that vast oceans insulated it from its enemies.

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Peter Bergen during coverage of CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 on location in Afghanistan

At great personal risk Gall has authoritatively covered the war in Afghanistan for the past 12 years. Indeed, I first met her during the civil war in Afghanistan during the mid-1990s when she was an aid worker, and I have met her many times since. I encouraged her (along with, I'm sure, many others) to write a book about her reporting in Afghanistan, as no Western reporter has more to say about what has transpired there since the fall of the Taliban.

The bin Laden story in the New York Times magazine is an extract from Gall's forthcoming book, "The Wrong Enemy: America in Afghanistan, 2001-2014."

Gall makes two astonishing claims in her Times magazine piece.

The first claim: An unnamed Pakistani official told her, based on what he had in turn heard from an unnamed senior U.S. official that "the United States had direct evidence that the ISI chief, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, knew of bin Laden's presence in Abbottabad." ISI is Pakistan's powerful military intelligence agency.

The second claim: "The ISI actually ran a special desk assigned to handle bin Laden. It was operated independently, led by an officer who made his own decisions and did not report to a superior. He handled only one person: bin Laden...the top military bosses knew about it, I was told."

It is, of course, hard to prove negatives, but having spent around a year reporting intensively on the hunt for al Qaeda's leader for my 2012 book "Manhunt: The Ten-Year Search for bin Laden From 9/11 to Abbottabad," I am convinced that there is no evidence that anyone in the Pakistani government, military or intelligence agencies knowingly sheltered bin Laden.

at its lowest point ever. Early that year a CIA contractor killed two Pakistanis in broad daylight in the city of Lahore, and both countries were trading accusations about each other's perfidy. The tension was compounded by the fact that the CIA drone program in Pakistan was then at its height, which was deeply unpopular among Pakistanis. What did U.S. officials have to lose by saying that bin Laden was being protected by the Pakistanis if it were true?

The fact is that the senior Pakistani officials Gall alleges were harboring bin Laden were utterly surprised that al Qaeda's leader was living in Abbottabad. Based on the bewildered reactions of top Pakistani officials to the events on the night that bin Laden was killed, it was obvious to U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter and to U.S. officials monitoring communications in Pakistan that the Pakistanis had not had a clue about bin Laden's presence there.

Finally, in the course of reporting my book I discovered that bin Laden was even hiding from some of the people living in his own compound; forget about letting officials in the Pakistani government in on the secret. One of the wives of the bodyguards protecting bin Laden didn't know that the tall stranger hiding on the compound was al Qaeda's leader.

In fairness to Gall, I have heard from four current and former U.S. intelligence and military officials that some of the thousands of documents that U.S. Navy SEALs picked up at bin Laden's Abbottabad compound that haven't been publicly released could point to some kind of official Pakistani collusion.

If that is the case, the Obama White House should release any documents that are relevant so that the American public can be the judge if one of our allies was knowingly harboring bin Laden all along. So far there is no evidence that that is the case.
 
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Still false.

Bin Laden comes from a family thats one of the largest construction firms in Saudi Arabia and OBL had money that he used to fund extremism.

Daddy Bush was the CIA agent who facilitated the whole afghan cituation



Doesn't matter.

OBL was being sought for his role in bombings WAY before 2001.

Pay attention
I didn't say Bin Laden was behind 9/11


False. Read this and quote me on every fukking word.

The taliban was playing that plausible deniability shyt. We had the evidence on them, but they were being difficult. They said "we'll give OBL up but we need 'evidence'"

Then they never said they were satisifed with the evidence. They were lying. They had Bin Laden then were dragging their feet.

They were being fukking facetious with the entire thing.

They murked Massoud too.


you're contradicting yourself

Pakistan was hiding him, but you claim he died in 2001. :snoop:


IT WAS NOT SHOT OFF DUMB DUMB

The helicopter landed on the wall after a violent landing.

They blew up the helicopter to avoid sensitive information leaking.



it actually is. Pakistan borders on being a failed state more than half the time. And they're hella unstable...might as well toss some dough their way so that afghanistan doesn't completely fall over while china and russia keep trying to get through to the indian ocean.

Peep game.

its all a giant chess game.


I can lead you to water, but I can't make you drink it.

Even fukking aspects of the insurgency had iranians present because dead bodies would have iranian passports on them.

Yet for you you can't put two and two together.


I dont have any evidence he ever existed either if you want to play that game.

1. Bin Laden and Bushes
http://www.denverpost.com/rodriguez/ci_4319898
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/26/b...y-liquidates-holdings-with-carlyle-group.html

2. You been yapping off about Bin Laden's dealing and yet you think the reason for the SEAL Six Team went into Pakistan for wasn't for 9/11? You truly are naive. Naive to believe enough of the story-line you are convinced....even without evidence.

3. Now you yapping about Taliban who was going to turn him in to the U.S. if they have evidence of the 9/11. You claim they did but you said earlier you didn't say he did 9/11. Make up your mind. You aren't bringing any proof of Taliban lying, dragging feet or satisfied with evidence. Even in the links U.S. didn't want to negotiate? You truly are clueless why we are even in Afghanistan. How do you have plans for going to war with a country months before the event even happened and claimed Bin Laden was the reason?

4. Pakistan was hiding him? Even if they did in your bizarro world, since he didn't do 9/11, why was he killed in the first place?

5. Violent Landings would mean injuries without a Tail. Then they blew it up? When did they do that? According to the pictures, it fell hard and exploded on it's own, not by the SEALS.

6. I know you aren't speaking about borders.

7. Insurgency passports were Iranian? From where, what source?
 

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1. The Bin Laden family is one of the largest and wealthiest Saudi families. The family is MASSIVE.

2. OBL happened to be a mujahadeen leader...useful for fighting soviets.

2. You been yapping off about Bin Laden's dealing and yet you think the reason for the SEAL Six Team went into Pakistan for wasn't for 9/11? You truly are naive. Naive to believe enough of the story-line you are convinced....even without evidence.

Yet you believe he died in Tora Bora in 2001.

3. Now you yapping about Taliban who was going to turn him in to the U.S. if they have evidence of the 9/11. You claim they did but you said earlier you didn't say he did 9/11. Make up your mind. You aren't bringing any proof of Taliban lying, dragging feet or satisfied with evidence. Even in the links U.S. didn't want to negotiate? You truly are clueless why we are even in Afghanistan. How do you have plans for going to war with a country months before the event even happened and claimed Bin Laden was the reason?

*sigh*

OBL was sought BEFORE 9/11.

9/11 happens.

The US wants OBL because he's clearly a leader in the thing. He might not have DIRECTLY done it but he has a role in it as a finanicer and organizational leader in ALQ.

4. Pakistan was hiding him? Even if they did in your bizarro world, since he didn't do 9/11, why was he killed in the first place?

OBL ain't even the only person Pakistan has hid, so why are you defending the ISI so much?
He was sought out for his roles in bombings in the 90s as well. 9/11 was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Look up "Alec Station"

5. Violent Landings would mean injuries without a Tail. Then they blew it up? When did they do that? According to the pictures, it fell hard and exploded on it's own, not by the SEALS.

Goddamn it dude. Look up the images.

1. The tail SCRAPED the wall and caused the heli to fall into a hard landing.

2. its a secret heli so they BLEW IT UP before leaving to destroy evidence

3. Hilary confirmed that chinese and russians were interested in recovering aspects of that heli

6. I know you aren't speaking about borders.

:snoop:

7. Insurgency passports were Iranian? From where, what source?
FROM WIKILEAKS mind you: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/23/world/middleeast/23iran.html?_r=0
 
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1. The Bin Laden family is one of the largest and wealthiest Saudi families. The family is MASSIVE.

2. OBL happened to be a mujahadeen leader...useful for fighting soviets.



Yet you believe he died in Tora Bora in 2001.



*sigh*

OBL was sought BEFORE 9/11.

9/11 happens.

The US wants OBL because he's clearly a leader in the thing. He might not have DIRECTLY done it but he has a role in it as a finanicer and organizational leader in ALQ.



OBL ain't even the only person Pakistan has hid, so why are you defending the ISI so much?
He was sought out for his roles in bombings in the 90s as well. 9/11 was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Look up "Alec Station"



Goddamn it dude. Look up the images.

1. The tail SCRAPED the wall and caused the heli to fall into a hard landing.

2. its a secret heli so they BLEW IT UP before leaving to destroy evidence

3. Hilary confirmed that chinese and russians were interested in recovering aspects of that heli



:snoop:


FROM WIKILEAKS mind you: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/23/world/middleeast/23iran.html?_r=0

1. Bin Ladens been in business with the Bushes for decades. Massive family, you mean like his brothers, uncles and his sisters working at Carlye Group?

2. Bin Laden was never Mujahadeen Leader. The Muja were Aghani, not Arabs. OBL funded the groups. So did the U.S.

3. Him dying in Tora Bora has been confirmed by Taliban leaders but yours isn't confirmed because there is no proof he died in 2011.

4. OBL was sought before 2011 but Obama said he was killed for 9/11. Now how do you explain that?

5. If he didn't do 9/11, that means he didn't do it. There is no reason to believe otherwise, especially coming from the devil himself( Cheney)

6. Fukk the ISI, you haven't brought proof OBL was in the house. How am I defending a negative?

7. Secret Helicopter doesn't go out on mission people can see at night and they don't crash by bumbling pilots who can't fly the thing. Secret...:mjlol:

8. Hilary confirmed...:deadmanny:. The same woman who claimed bullets were flying by her head in Bosnia?

9. West Point's Counter-Terrorism Center speaks different on who was on the ground in Iraq. Matter of fact the redacted info and most of the info about who was involved is discredited. Look at what it is saying here...

HAD NO INFORMATION FROM HIS SOURCE ABOUT INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED OR LOCATIONS WITHIN IRAN THAT THE EXPLOSIVES MAY HAVE COME FROM.

Most of the info came from MKO which is a Anti-Iranian terrorist group. That info was discussed by West Point in their studies and they also said.

This document contains a series of Iraqi intelligence Correspondence | many regarding Iranian influence in Iraq. Several documents indicate that the Iraqi government was receiving information from the Mujahidin-e Khalq Organization (MKO), an anti-Iranian terrorist organization. Western scholars are often skeptical of information provided by the MKO because the group has an obvious interest in providing negative information about the Iranian government.

Now back to who was really involved in Iraq.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/51513379/...rs-in-Iraq-A-First-Look-at-the-Sinjar-Records
 
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