What is up with Deontay Wilder's trainer???

[chosenaledge13]

He made it this far with a dopey amateur CAC and a deflated Mark Breland

I dont know if he would've been the greatest, but he would've been a lot better if he had a Stacey McKinley type to train him. Breland's voice was barely a whisper in the corner.

Stacey McKinley - BoxRec

"JOSHUA CALLED IN DIRRELL BROTHER TO TEACH HIM HOW TO FIGHT A SOUTHPAW!" - MCKINLEY - YouTube

I don't think yall understand that Wilder DOES NOT tolerate anyone that isn't a yes man in his camp. Breland was challenging a lot of what Jay Deas was doing to help Wilder and was shut down, as Breland wasn't scared to actually criticize Wilder when he needed it.

Breland was known to be a very direct guy, old school no sugar coating with his communication even if he wasn't the loudest. Stacey would've thrown out of Wilders camp even faster because he would've called him a shyt fighter to his face

This is why Malik is the only guy that could've got to him because he sees him as a BROTHER, not a father figure as most old school trainers are. He even reiterates how Malik hasn't taught him anything, only brought out of him what he already knew. You think Stacey would tolerate an ego like that?


EDIT: Stacey let Wilder have it in these interviews

Last year



3 days Ago

 

[King]

I don't think yall understand that Wilder DOES NOT tolerate anyone that isn't a yes man in his camp. Breland was challenging a lot of what Jay Deas was doing to help Wilder and was shut down, as Breland wasn't scared to actually criticize Wilder when he needed it.

Breland was known to be a very direct guy, old school no sugar coating with his communication even if he wasn't the loudest. Stacey would've thrown out of Wilders camp even faster because he would've called him a shyt fighter to his face

This is why Malik is the only guy that could've got to him because he sees him as a BROTHER, not a father figure as most old school trainers are. He even reiterates how Malik hasn't taught him anything, only brought out of him what he already knew. You think Stacey would tolerate an ego like that?


EDIT: Stacey let Wilder have it in these interviews

Last year



3 days Ago

I mean he was built up to be a yes man kinda guy

He was a humble truck driver in Alabama before he got picked up by Jay. And he was an athlete literally trained to follow instructions, not adding the fact that he came from a very strict household. I'm talking about BACK THEN.

And had enough discipline to be coached into a Bronze medal.

The fukked up thing that happened was that he kept winning and his trainers let a lot of shyt slide. Eventually he became to be surrounded by yes men. Jay did not give a single fukk about checking Wilder's ego. All he saw was his money ticket, a big strong athletic black man who could knock out anyone you put in front of him. He needed real discipline.

You're blaming the symptom, not the problem. Breland DID take a back seat and openly admitted Wilder did not listen to him. If he wasn't another yes man there for the money he woulda left camp like he was supposed to instead of taking a paycheck.

 

[prince_peoples]

what does this have to do with him being a good trainer

I picked fury to wash wilder in both fights, so i'm not even pro wilder

but he looks way better in his training videos than he ever has. It might be a lil to late, but we shall see.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Accuse black men of throwing fights with no solid proof brehs.


Suggest black men can’t excel in one avenue of a sport because they underachieved in the other brehs.


Suggest that black men can only be around to form a “posse” brehs

 

[Hov]

Cus wasn't even a fighter he trained Floyd Patterson and Mike Tyson, Malik Scott was a better fighter than most trainers

I mean Derrick James wasn't as good as a fighter as Spence and Charlo, and trains them

what type of stupid ass question is this

Accuse black men of throwing fights with no solid proof brehs.


Suggest black men can’t excel in one avenue of a sport because they underachieved in the other brehs.


Suggest that black men can only be around to form a “posse” brehs

Well, this result is why I asked the question after learning more about Malik Scott, who I believe is terrible.

Breeland had been trying to get Wilder to change for years and Wilder stopped progressing once he got famous due to his continuous knockouts. That’s on him.

He fired Breeland and brings in Scott, who is his friend who isn’t going to step on toes and be a YES man. Of course Wilder knew he had to do something different (better) so he listens to Scott, so of course he looks a little different, but you see his Gameplan - bulk up and jab to the belly - no other strategy or answer for anything else. Listening to Breeland or anyone else the way he listened to Scott would’ve done a lot better for him.

And Malik Scott didn’t need to be a star boxer, of course you can suck at a sport and coach, but to take dives and be called weak hearted and soft (there were interviews with trainers who call Scott a friend ans mention things about his weakness), he was only here for the bag and delusion. He’s more a motivational speaker who knows some boxing, like Fury’s old trainer.

Wilder did this to himself.

 

[chosenaledge13]

Well, this result is why I asked the question after learning more about Malik Scott, who I believe is terrible.

Breeland had been trying to get Wilder to change for years and Wilder stopped progressing once he got famous due to his continuous knockouts. That’s on him.

He fired Breeland and brings in Scott, who is his friend who isn’t going to step on toes and be a YES man. Of course Wilder knew he had to do something different (better) so he listens to Scott, so of course he looks a little different, but you see his Gameplan - bulk up and jab to the belly - no other strategy or answer for anything else. Listening to Breeland or anyone else the way he listened to Scott would’ve done a lot better for him.

And Malik Scott didn’t need to be a star boxer, of course you can suck at a sport and coach, but to take dives and be called weak hearted and soft (there were interviews with trainers who call Scott a friend ans mention things about his weakness), he was only here for the bag and delusion. He’s more a motivational speaker who knows some boxing, like Fury’s old trainer.

Wilder did this to himself.

You're minimizing how good of a trainer Malik is for getting him to a point where he knocked down Fury twice, coming back from getting destroyed in the second fight. That is VERY HARD to get a fighter to do while changing tactics. Same with Ben Davison, who got Fury back from addiction and Obesity to be able to be a competitive fighter, again VERY DIFFICULT. Ben has Josh Taylor looking good too, so I don't think it's fair to paint it black and white like that.

I see both Malik and Ben Davison having similar careers moving forward as successful trainers, because they're both young and have cerebral, educated approaches to training.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

You're minimizing how good of a trainer Malik is for getting him to a point where he knocked down Fury twice, coming back from getting destroyed in the second fight. That is VERY HARD to get a fighter to do while changing tactics. Same with Ben Davison, who got Fury back from addiction and Obesity to be able to be a competitive fighter, again VERY DIFFICULT. Ben has Josh Taylor looking good too, so I don't think it's fair to paint it black and white like that.

I see both Malik and Ben Davison having similar careers moving forward as successful trainers, because they're both young and have cerebral, educated approaches to training.

malik had nothin to do with him knocking fury down.. that was wilder relyin on his bread n butter because the twerk session him n malik had stopped 2nd round..

1st knock down

just hit play...



slow the video down 0.25

wilder didn't even touch fury only thing that hit fury was wilders wrist...if anything..



fury was off balance wilder jus pushes him down..none of those punches connected at all

then the 2nd knockdown clearly in the back of the head...

fury was weaving a lot of shyt that commentators was reaction too...slow motion it looks waaaaay different...he wasn't doing shyt..

 

[staticshock]

Breland was there for a paycheck, dude gave up and couldn’t match Wilder’s energy.

Wilder ain’t respect him and he just sat in the corner like a defeated man
.

If Wilder had a Sugar Hill type cat from the start he would’ve been the greatest to ever do it.

is there a section of this website where you post where you don’t appear to be one of the dumbest motherfukkers on this message board?

 

[Mowgli]

Trainer got his revenge. fukk cardio and boxing class. fukk fundamentals.

Let's get buff, get some work in the pool skip running and just hit pads

 

[Rekkapryde]

is there a section of this website where you post where you don’t appear to be one of the dumbest motherfukkers on this message board?

 

[NZA]

I don't think yall understand that Wilder DOES NOT tolerate anyone that isn't a yes man in his camp. Breland was challenging a lot of what Jay Deas was doing to help Wilder and was shut down, as Breland wasn't scared to actually criticize Wilder when he needed it.

Breland was known to be a very direct guy, old school no sugar coating with his communication even if he wasn't the loudest. Stacey would've thrown out of Wilders camp even faster because he would've called him a shyt fighter to his face

This is why Malik is the only guy that could've got to him because he sees him as a BROTHER, not a father figure as most old school trainers are. He even reiterates how Malik hasn't taught him anything, only brought out of him what he already knew. You think Stacey would tolerate an ego like that?


EDIT: Stacey let Wilder have it in these interviews

Last year



3 days Ago

great interviews

 

[BunchePark]

Lmao I didn't know this until round 1

fukked me up the whole fight

 

[reservoirdogs]

Can't tell how good of a trainer he is based on that one fight, it was expected anyway that Wilder won't improve leaps and bounds in one camp.
It was clear that they had a plan with the body shots but it lasted 1 round basically. Don't know how much it was Wilder going over the top with it and Fury picking up on it quick or how much was Scott not teaching him well enough.

Wilder bulking up... imo was a bad decision on his part but again I don't know how much Scott agreed with the idea. It seems to me that Wilder is a hard-headed dude who's going to do things his own way and doesn't accept the trainers' authority like many other fighters do, probably the only ideas he accepts are the ones he agrees with, the kind of guy you have to make him believe something was his idea for him to implement it. Going by this Scott could have said anything about his weight, once Wilder decided he's gonna bulk up it was the way to go...
At the end of the day, this is just guessing and the fight neither proved Scott to be a bad trainer nor the opposite.

Funny someone said Wilde knocking down Fury twice is proof of Scott's training. He knocked Fury down in the first fight too when he was with Breland so that doesn't tell much. From where I stand Fury got comfortable and paid the price in the form of Wilder's signature right, I didn't see anything new implemented there.

 

[BucciMane]

is there a section of this website where you post where you don’t appear to be one of the dumbest motherfukkers on this message board?

He's my EASY runnaway winner for WOAT poster. That moron is supposed to be banned right now. Said he would honor a ban bet for Wilder losing, and all this idiot has done is continue to make awful threads.

 

[gangreen]

Can't tell how good of a trainer he is based on that one fight, it was expected anyway that Wilder won't improve leaps and bounds in one camp.
It was clear that they had a plan with the body shots but it lasted 1 round basically. Don't know how much it was Wilder going over the top with it and Fury picking up on it quick or how much was Scott not teaching him well enough.

Wilder bulking up... imo was a bad decision on his part but again I don't know how much Scott agreed with the idea. It seems to me that Wilder is a hard-headed dude who's going to do things his own way and doesn't accept the trainers' authority like many other fighters do, probably the only ideas he accepts are the ones he agrees with, the kind of guy you have to make him believe something was his idea for him to implement it. Going by this Scott could have said anything about his weight, once Wilder decided he's gonna bulk up it was the way to go...
At the end of the day, this is just guessing and the fight neither proved Scott to be a bad trainer nor the opposite.

Funny someone said Wilde knocking down Fury twice is proof of Scott's training. He knocked Fury down in the first fight too when he was with Breland so that doesn't tell much. From where I stand Fury got comfortable and paid the price in the form of Wilder's signature right, I didn't see anything new implemented there.

I think he was employing the body shots up until round five. His legs were really gone after like Round 5 forward and it was survival mode from round six until the end

The body shots that Wilder was doing were a good way to give Fury a different look for the right hand, I don't know how much it was hurting Fury but I'm pretty sure they were disrupting Fury's timing early on with it. Even when Fury upped the pressure in round 2-4, Wilder was still throwing to the body.Round 6 is when it really turned bad for Wilder.

What hurt Wilder was Fury's looping right hand all fight. It should have been drilled into his head for the twenty months of training leading up to the October 9th fight to protect the left side of ur head at all cost against this guy. It's the only way he has really hurt you. Take that away from him.

During the fight I kept seeing Wilder falling for the left hand feint and then the looping right hand connecting on him. It happened when Wilder still had energy with Fury’s third round knockdown of him and then somewhere in the sixth that really tilted the fight in Fury's favor.

That's one thing you can criticize Scott and Wilder's strategy. Wilder in particular needs some defensive tactics to beat Fury. Fury figured him out and Fury may be the only guy at 6 foot 9 inches with a 80 something inch reach and skills to constantly make Wilder pay for defensive miscues. I really saw nothing different in that regard from the second to third Wilder Fury Fights. I think it would have thrown Fury for a bit of a loop if Wilder just showed some defensive tactics.

It was a bad decision to bulk up like that but I don't think both Scott and Wilder's game plan was set up to go the distance. Even had me thinking that bulking up his body was a ploy to protect his head at all costs conceding the body shots to Fury. Boy was I wrong about that.

Just another thing regarding the fight, as a factor, it wasn’t really clear when Wilder broke his right hand. My guess is when he rocked Fury the first time in the fourth. Could have impacted him later on as well regarding his punching power and Fury not respecting it.