What is the explanation of why White American players fell off in the 2000s vs White International players

[Cognito]

From 1999-2022 there has been 4 All-NBA selections for White America Players
36 year old John Stockton, Kevin Love twice and David Lee
Tyler Herro is the most likely current White American player to make an All-NBA team

In comparison their has been 38 All-NBA selection for White International players
For reference there has been more All-NBA selections for Serbian players population 7 million, Spain 47 million and the same amount as Slovenia 2 million
1 White American has finished in top 6 MVP voting during this period which is Kevin Love
White International players has been top 6 MVP voting 14 times

 

[Megadeus]

i read an article on this some years ago.

Participation amongst white American males is down. They attribute it to discouragement due to the domination of black males numbers-wise stateside, starting from youth. They will just naturally choose other sports to focus on.

Lets say You have an elite athlete who shows promise from youth. He might like bball and might have the ability to be a Tyler Herro one day, but he and his folks are more likely to lean towards another sport to focus on because they have a "better shot" at going pro.

Whereas, overseas everyone is a euroc@c so that socio psychological effect isnt really there. They wanna ball so they just ball and that's that. So naturally they have more NBA success stories.

 

[Th3Birdman]

Participation amongst white American males is down. They attribute it to discouragement due to the domination of black males numbers wise stateside, starting from youth,. they will just naturally choose other sports to focus on

This is exactly what I've seen when I was playing ball.

You would always have White dudes that could hoop at church leagues and at 24, but when I asked them why they didn't play for their school or even attempt to go pro (NBA, overseas), they told me they couldn't compete with the brothers. Too strong, too fast, jump too high. I'm saying I heard that from their mouths.

I don't necessarily blame them. When we decide to take part in a physical sport, we dominate. And as a male, being dominated by another male in a physical competition is demoralizing and makes you not want to even participate.

Let brehs realize you can legally catch fades in hockey...

 

[Cognito]

i read an article on this some years ago.

Participation amongst white American males is down. They attribute it to discouragement due to the domination of black males numbers wise stateside, starting from youth,. they will just naturally choose other sports to focus on.

Lets say You have an elite athlete who shows promise from youth. He might like bball and might have the ability to be a Tyler Herro one day, but he and his folks are more likely to lean towards another sport to focus on because they have a "better shot" at going pro.

Whereas, overseas everyone is a euroc@c so that socio psychological effect isnt really there. They wanna ball so they just ball and that's that. So naturally they have more NBA success stories.

This is exactly what I've seen when I was playing ball.

You would always have White dudes that could hoop at church leagues and at 24, but when I asked them why they didn't play for their school or even attempt to go pro (NBA, overseas), they told me they couldn't compete with the brothers. Too strong, too fast, jump too high. I'm saying I heard that from their mouths.

I don't necessarily blame them. When we decide to take part in a physical sport, we dominate. And as a male, being dominated by another male in a physical competition is demoralizing and makes you not want to even participate.

Let brehs realize you can legally catch fades in hockey...

What’s the explanation why boomer c@cs were able to compete in the 70s, 80s Kiki vandeweghe, Paul Westphal, Rick Barry were athletic and could shot create

 

[Th3Birdman]

What’s the explanation why boomer c@cs were able to compete in the 70s, 80s Kiki vandeweghe, Paul Westphal, Rick Barry were athletic and could shot create

Breh, I think White folk can play. I have hooped with a few of em, and they can hoop. Athleticism is their problem, or rather, we are TOO athletic for them.

I think it was the 60s when NBA basketball became a fast game, where the play started to get close to or above the rim, due to Black folk entering the league. But there were quotas that limited Black players to a few players a team.

Back in the 70s and 80s, White folk were still the slight majority in the league. Brehs weren't really into hooping like that, as a career path. We was too tied up in civil justice and then the crack epidemic that hit our communities hard in the 80s.

But then Jordan came, and Gatorade had an entire campaign slogan around wanting to BE LIKE MIKE. So naturally, our youths wanted to play, and the rest is history.

 

[Max.]

Cacs play football and baseball

 

[TheMailMan]

Regardless of color , most of the best players are international ...the best black player is Greek ,so why the fall off ?

 

[mbewane]

Like brehs said, White Americans players have to compete with Black American players, who as a group are still the overwhelming best at the game. So those White players know it's gonna be an uphill battle and might choose another one. On the other hand most Euros don't have that particular competition so they can develop at their own pace. And in the countries where there is a significant Black population, like France, it's also mostly the Black players who make it to the NBA.

 

[Mindfield333]

What’s the explanation why boomer c@cs were able to compete in the 70s, 80s Kiki vandeweghe, Paul Westphal, Rick Barry were athletic and could shot create

Folks don’t wanna say it but they know players now are way more dominant as a whole. Bench players in this era would dogwalk the ones from the 90s, 80s and below

 

[Tflasha]

No... The problem with most white basketball athletes is, they primarily go to high schools/private schools that can red zone and wiggle around playing against black competition, so once they hit that wall in college where they constantly have to see your black ass Reality sets in and they mentally check out.

 

[mastermind]

It has nothing to do with athleticisim, unless you doofuses really believe in eugenics--which actually wouldn't surprise me because the Coli tends to parrot white supremacy. There are a lot of ridiculously athletic white American men. They play sports like volleyball, lacrosse, hockey and baseball. We also see a lot of white women playing basketball.

And we see white men from Europe come in and go ham in the NBA.

IMO, its down to representation and discouragement.

 

[Depreciating Asset]

Regardless of color , most of the best players are international ...the best black player is Greek ,so why the fall off ?

Good question. This is part of the answer as well. Competition has increased for white American athletes beyond just black Americans. The pool of athletes that NBA teams have to choose from is now global. They are further discouraged from entering a race that has more and more competitors.

This is now going to impact young black American kids and their parents going forward who will be in a similar position to white kids in the 80s and 90s whose parents saw this writing on the wall. I am one of those parents who know that the Victor Wembenyama's of the world are about to take over. My young son probably won't be taller than 6'3 or 6'4. I am trying to figure out which sport he can dominate in and push him in that direction. I don't think it's the NBA. Too much competition. He about to play lacrosse

 

[Rekkapryde]

No... The problem with most white basketball athletes is, they primarily go to high schools/private schools that can red zone and wiggle around playing against black competition, so once they hit that wall in college where they constantly have to see your black ass Reality sets in and they mentally check out.

A lot of em sell themselves short. Luka ain't the most athletic mufukka but look at him.

Americacs believe the cism on some Bizarro shyt that makes them think they can't compete at the same levels as brothas.

....oh well

 

[SchoolboyC]

No... The problem with most white basketball athletes is, they primarily go to high schools/private schools that can red zone and wiggle around playing against black competition, so once they hit that wall in college where they constantly have to see your black ass Reality sets in and they mentally check out.

Or even look at college basketball. They’ve had several white American superstars during that time span. JJ Redikk, Tyler Hansbrough, Adam Morrison, Jimmer, Doug McDermott, Frank Kaminsky, Luka Garza.

None of those guys could carry that success into the NBA.

 

[FS4LFE]

This thread is great. Is Tyler Hero the best American born cac active player in the NBA?