What does not losing mean in boxing

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your logic is faulty
what year did concrete hands beat up on sergio?

2000

And why did u skip the "Ali loses to Frazier who loses to Foreman who loses to Ali" post?

Nothing faulty about that.

Bottomline no fight can be predetermined by common opponents....theres too many holes in that logic

And yes Floyd was supposed to fight Margarito in 2006 but ducked him.
 

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You're a clown. If we are talking boxing then we are talking about business. There's more to putting a fight together than someone saying "hey let's fight". The OP mentioned Floyd and Rocky by name, so that's what I'm basing my rationale by. In Floyd's case, he's been fighting WORLD CHAMPIONS since the 90's! Now some people have a promotional company behind them that creates the "boogey man" aura for a fighter (Margarito). Yet, you have someone like Shane come along and beat him...and Floyd hopped right in the ring with the winner. Now Floyd didn't fight Margarito, but I doubt it came from fear of "catching a fade" BECAUSE he fought the guy that battered him! So to dismiss a perfect record as a reflection of bypassing challenges for lesser opponents is flawed. Like I said at first, at that level anybody can get touched. So when a fighter goes his entire career fighting a decade plus worth of world champions and can avoid the pitfalls of undertraining, being unfocused, get caught looking past a guy, catching a cramp or injury, getting clipped on the ear and lose his equilibrium, or a liver shot...(you know, stuff boxing fans have seen happen to the best of them) you have to acknowledge it. So you can stop projecting your pussified way of handling conflict on world class fighters who partake in a BUSINESS of sports entertainment.

you must be broke :umad:being the greatest doesnt mean being the wealthiest ... I hope your a young cat breh
nikkas like you get cleant up for free
 

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you must be broke :umad:being the greatest doesnt mean being the wealthiest ... I hope your a young cat breh
nikkas like you get cleant up for free

:mindblown:....you're comprehension skills suck. I never mentioned anybody's wealth. I said its a buisness first. As much as we would like to think its all bravado and guys just say "hey lets fight"....its not. They negotiate everything from style of glove, size of ring, who name is mentioned first in the promotion, who walks out first, etc. It was like that before Floyd got there and most likely will be that way for awhile. My only dog I have in the "who's getting wealthy" fight is that I don't understand how black men can be short sighted and fall into the trap of calling world class fighters who fight for a living, cowards because they wanna maximize their earning potential. You can't see the forest from the trees. Oscar wanted Floyd and couldn't get him because Floyd was in a contractual situation that didn't allow for it. Was Oscar a coward for controlling his own profit earning ability that he earned in the ring? No. And I didnt hear latino's or other minorities calling him a coward for it either. And once Floyd bought out his contract, he got Oscar. Same with Floyd and Cotto. Top Rank sold y'all on the fact the fight couldn't be made because Floyd was "scared", yet once Cotto contract was up, they fought. Its a BUSINESS! Only a few "rabbits get the gun" in the boxer-promoter relationship. And I applaud those like Oscar and Floyd who know their worth and won't be dictated to by promoters who wanna screw you with paperwork and snatch larger percentages just for handing out flyers....clown.
 

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:usure: This logic is faulty


Antonio Margarito DESTROYED Sergio Martinez, who KO'd Paul Williams, who DOMINATED Winky Wright, who beat Shane Mosley in back to back fights.

Does that mean Margarito shouldn't have fought Shane Mosley?:what:

:dwillhuh:...I wasn't talking about "triangle theories". The cat I responded to suggested that fighters keep their "0" by taking the path of least resistance. I simply stated that Floyd did not fight Margarito but fought the man who straight battered him. I'm only suggesting that if you fight someone who just battered the supposed "boogie man", then choosing the path of least resistance isn't really true. He chose to fight the better fighter of the two. That doesn't sound like someone who only fight people he know he can beat as that guy suggested.
 

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It's hard to say.

It could mean everything, it could mean nothing; it all depends on the fighter and their competition.

For a lot of guys, it's like they say on the street... If you've never got your ass kicked you probably haven't fought enough/the right people. :yeshrug:
 

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:dwillhuh:...I wasn't talking about "triangle theories". The cat I responded to suggested that fighters keep their "0" by taking the path of least resistance. I simply stated that Floyd did not fight Margarito but fought the man who straight battered him. I'm only suggesting that if you fight someone who just battered the supposed "boogie man", then choosing the path of least resistance isn't really true. He chose to fight the better fighter of the two. That doesn't sound like someone who only fight people he know he can beat as that guy suggested.

This logic is somewhat faulty as well because styles make fights.
 
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So Floyd ducked Antonio Margachetto now ? :russ:

Mayweather turns down $8 million to fight Margarito - boxing - ESPN

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."
 

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Or even the most perfect example.

Muhammad Ali knocked out George Foreman, who knocked out Joe Frazier, who knocked out Muhammad Ali.

According to the logic presented, George Foreman should have never even fought Ali, because the guy Foreman MURDERED (Frazier) was coming off a fight where he beat up Ali and broke his jaw in 3 places.
Frazier never KO'd Ali...
 

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Overall wins and losses mean nothing in boxing...

At the end of the day when its all said and done the quality of competition is what defines a boxers place in history...In most cases even if you lost your big fights against great opponents you'll still get respect...Look at Tommy Hearns for example...

On the other hand a guy who only fought cab drivers for a living and dudes who should have been in a retirement home won't ever be respected...You hear any mention of Joe Calzaghe these days in any boxing discussion that doesn't center around the word "overrated"?

Euro's are constantly complaining about the Klits getting not respect in NA...We don't hate the Klits, we don't respect their competition...A bunch of talentless fat sloppy dudes and a bytchmade British crusierweight...You really expect us to be wow'd when Wladimir jabs to death a nikka who'd pass out after 20 minutes on a treadmill?
 

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This logic is somewhat faulty as well because styles make fights.

That's fair....but there is only one champ and hundreds of contenders. If you can't fight them all, then just fight the winner ala Baldomir (and Zab), Shane, Ortiz, and what looks like the Ghost for May 5th.
 

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Or even the most perfect example.

Muhammad Ali knocked out George Foreman, who knocked out Joe Frazier, who knocked out Muhammad Ali.

According to the logic presented, George Foreman should have never even fought Ali, because the guy Foreman MURDERED (Frazier) was coming off a fight where he beat up Ali and broke his jaw in 3 places.

:huh: joe frazier never ko'ed ali...only knocked him down
 

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Not losing losing in boxing gets you viewed with suspicion as some see it as never taking a challenge, this is not true of every boxer. At the same time being undefeated does not seat you with the pantheon of greats i.e Calzaghe.
 

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:mindblown:....you're comprehension skills suck:snoop:. "I never mentioned anybody's wealth. I said its a buisness first":damn:. As much as we would like to think its all bravado and guys just say "hey lets fight"....its not. They negotiate everything from style of glove, size of ring, who name is mentioned first in the promotion, who walks out first, etc. It was like that before Floyd got there and most likely will be that way for awhile. My only dog I have in the "who's getting wealthy" fight is that I don't understand how black men can be short sighted and fall into the trap of calling world class fighters who fight for a living, cowards because they wanna maximize their earning potential. You can't see the forest from the trees. Oscar wanted Floyd and couldn't get him because Floyd was in a contractual situation that didn't allow for it. Was Oscar a coward for controlling his own profit earning ability that he earned in the ring? No. And I didnt hear latino's or other minorities calling him a coward for it either. And once Floyd bought out his contract, he got Oscar. Same with Floyd and Cotto. Top Rank sold y'all on the fact the fight couldn't be made because Floyd was "scared", yet once Cotto contract was up, they fought. Its a BUSINESS! Only a few "rabbits get the gun" in the boxer-promoter relationship. And I applaud those like Oscar and Floyd who know their worth and won't be dictated to by promoters who wanna screw you with paperwork and snatch larger percentages just for handing out flyers....clown.


look how off topic you get brah defending yourself
we are talking about losing a fight or winning
not what music your gonna come out to or glove size
you keep talking about lightweights its obviously something your stuck on
 
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