What does actual police reform look like?

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admittedly i didn't read any of the links... .but i'd just like to see the footprint of police greatly diminished... they were originally started as a slave patrol... crime was low before police existed and there is no proof that police are the solution to crime... less police, less stupid laws to control people, and real efforts to improve the lives of citizens would vastly reduce police brutality...
 

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crime was low before police existed and there is no proof that police are the solution to crime... less police, less stupid laws to control people.
i look at police as a necessary evil :yeshrug:

at the end of the day, this defund the police shyt is stupid. there has to be some degree of policing society as a deterrent

look at drunk driving, get rid of police tomorrow and drunk driving would skyrocket. and who would you call if someone gets shot or someone steals your car? "defund the police" is embarrassing and childish
 

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i look at police as a necessary evil :yeshrug:

at the end of the day, this defund the police shyt is stupid. there has to be some degree of policing society as a deterrent

look at drunk driving, get rid of police tomorrow and drunk driving would skyrocket. and who would you call if someone gets shot or someone steals your car? "defund the police" is embarrassing and childish
don't quote no more... no where in my post did i say anything about defunding or not having some degree of police....
 

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Thank you for making this thread
I haven't seen any concrete demands that we're trying to get out of all of this
Its a tough balance, because you can't ask for Law Enforcement to be disarmed or they'll be useless in this country
Mandatory body cams is a start, but not a complete solution
 

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many necessary changes have to be made but ones that stand out for me are introducing use of force continuums, banning chokeholds, making the disciplinary records of police officers public information, demilitarization of police and at least partial disarmament of police.

additionally there will need to be comprehensive and drastic investigations and overhaul of the police union system rendering it unrecognizable. police unions set policing culture moreso than the departments themselves and protect all police officers from serious investigation or accountability. FOPs will need to be completely uprooted and dismantled for the blue wall of silence to fall.
 

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I was listening to NPR earlier and one suggestion was to defund and use for other resources, since 75% of police work is social work. I remember the woman saying it’s no reason an armed officer, trained to use deadly force should be answering a mental health call. It was a good convo, I’ll have to see if I can find it. There were a lot of good ideas.
 

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-Civilian review boards with firing power
-Mandatory bodycams. Not operating a camera is a suspendable offense, and all cam data can be obtained by request.
- Settlements paid out from union dues/private insurance policies/pension funds.
-Abolition of qualified immunity and civil asset forfeiture.
 
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Considering some of these mid sized towns in America probably never used their SWAT teams or armored equipment before they were brought in to tear gas and mass arrest peaceful civilians, I’d say cutting any budget off the top that goes to military grade equipment or advanced combat training is a must. Police officers are not soldiers.

Civilian elected accountability departments and removing ethical oversight of misconduct away from police unions would go a long way to deter excessive use of force. End qualified immunity. Cops need to be held criminally and to some degree financially responsible for misconduct. I’ve seen ideas float around about licensing cops similar to how we treat nurses and pilots with national databases and examination standards.

Additionally - something needs to be done about the hiring process to weed out these racist pigs. It could start with quotas & stronger affirmative action so the law enforcement actually reflects the demographic of the community they serve. Psychology evaluation standards need to be examined to look at questions around race & violence. A lot of these cops are fukking dumb and would stumble over tough questions about racism and use of force.
 
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i look at police as a necessary evil :yeshrug:

at the end of the day, this defund the police shyt is stupid. there has to be some degree of policing society as a deterrent

look at drunk driving, get rid of police tomorrow and drunk driving would skyrocket. and who would you call if someone gets shot or someone steals your car? "defund the police" is embarrassing and childish
Stop pushing this false narrative. It's simply about redefining the role police play, not getting rid of them completely.



What does it mean to ‘defund the police’?

For years, community groups have advocated for defunding law enforcement – taking money away from police and prisons – and reinvesting those funds in services. The basic principle is that government budgets and “public safety” spending should prioritize housing, employment, community health, education and other vital programs, instead of police officers. Advocates argue that defunding is the best way forward since attempts to reform police practices over the last five years have failed, as evidenced by the brutal killing of George Floyd. Groups have a range of demands, with some seeking modest reductions and others viewing full defunding as a step toward abolishing contemporary police services.


How much does America currently spend on police?

In the past four decades, the cost of policing in the US has tripled and is now $115bn, according to a recent analysis. That steady increase comes as crime has been consistently declining. In most cities, spending on police is significantly greater than spending on services and other departments ($1.8bn on police in Los Angeles, for example, which is more than half the city’s general fund). The Covid-19 economic crisis has led cities and states to make drastic budget cuts to education, youth programs, arts and culture, parks, libraries, housing services and more. But police budgets have grown or gone largely untouched – until pressure from protests this week.


If cities defund police, will violence and crime increase?

Abolition groups argue that policing and prison are at their core racist and harmful and make communities less safe. They also point out that the vast majority of police work has nothing to do with responding to or preventing violence, and that police have a terrible track record of solving murders or handling rape and domestic violence.

While there is no contemporary example of defunding in the US, there are studies suggesting that less policing could mean less crime. In 2014 and 2015, New York officers staged a “slowdown” to protest the mayor, arguing that if they did less police work, the city would be less safe. But the opposite turned out to be true. When the officers took a break from “broken windows policing”, meaning targeting low-level offenses, there was a drop in crime. Researchers posited that aggressive policing on the streets for petty matters can ultimately cause social disruption and lead to more crime. Policing that punishes poverty, such as hefty traffic tickets and debts, can also create conditions where crime is more likely. When New York ended “stop and frisk”, crime did not rise.

I'm not going to quote it all. It's worth reading it all for yourself.

What does 'defund the police' mean? The rallying cry sweeping the US – explained
 
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