What do y'all think about demolishing projects?
- Thread starter Dusty Bake Activate
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You really think it would be better for crime to be spread all throughout NYC, Chicago, LA, or any other city, rather than be confined to the areas its already confined to? Do you not understand that (as somebody else has stated in this thread)crime drives down property value? If people dont feel safe in their houses at night, and they see their losing money on their property investment, they're gonna sell and get out of there, and move to the 'burbs where there's less crime. No big deal right? Somebody else will move in and take their place right? Wrong? Those properties wont sell, because anybody who makes a legit living dont want to be around crime, therefore the people who own the properties, will have no choice but to rent to the same types of people who create the problem in the first place, because they're used to it and dont care about crime as long as they got a roof over their heads.
Oh yeah? Crime is down, and you attribute that to projects falling? NYC didnt even decide that they wanted to start demolishing projects til 2 years ago, yet their crime rate had fallen more than damn near any city. And what about other cities that weren't overrun with projects? Some cities didnt even have to worry about tearing down projects and displacing tens of thousands of people, yet their crime rates dropped as well, without having to tear down a ton of projects
Pass that on to the millions of people in this country who dont dont live in the projects, yet still dont own their own home, and are trying to make a legit living and work toward owning their own place in the future. But I guess their "unamerican" since they dont already own their own shyt.
You tell me. You're the one who said its unamerican to not own your own shyt.
Thats EXACTLY what public housing was designed as. A place for people to come and go. A place for people to be able to affordably live while they tried to better themselves. It was designed as a place for people coming back from wars that didnt have much, and people migrating from the south who had nothing. It was an affordable place for people to live until they got better jobs and moved on to better things. They were never meant to be permanent housing, they were meant to be a stepping stone to better things. 
So which is it? Projects should be torn town because its "unamerican" to not own your own home? Or should they be torn down because they're crime infested and dirty? Seems like you're just stuck on you being right about your own opinion, and everybody who disagrees you will argue with to the death
stealthbomber
cruising at 30,000
most gang territory is centered around project buildings. if u shut down half the projects in south central, it would dramatically weaken the gangs.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Nah. Gangs will just move elsewhere. In my hometown, gang activity increased after they tore down the largest projects, and there's even new homegrown gangs in once fairly safe neighborhoods now. The hope is maybe decades from now gang culture will diminish, but at least for now, it's making things worse because now they're without as many borders and living next door to member of other gangs. Just look at Chicago.
stealthbomber
cruising at 30,000
yeah im talking about the future. obviously gangsters gonna be gangsters wherever they are. but the next generation, not growing up in the ghetto, would be like me for example.
my dad was pretty heavy in san diego, but he's got a good job and moved us out to the valley when i was young. i still got some hood in me, but im far from a gangster.
it won't completely kill gangs, thats impossible, but if u take out the "headquarters" which most project buildings are, it could help curb it.
If they tear down those projects where they gonna go? Either to another hood, that MAY OR MAY NOT be the same shyt as they are, or go somewhere were where there's no gang presence at all. Gangbangers are gonna gangbang, no matter where they are. They're about bangin and making money, just like they were in the 90's, when they moved into nearly every city in America to sell crack. That hustling/gangbanging/project/hood mentality aint gonna change if the projects are torn down. Which brings up another point, Its not just a project mentality. Its a HOOD mentality. Some people wanna say the shyt would slowly die off over time if the all projects were all demolished. BULLshyt. Projects arent the root of violence, its the criminals that live in them, and its the same with the hood. If you're one of the idiots that scream the world is better without projects, then you better be hollerin level all the hoods too. Its the same mentality
stealthbomber
cruising at 30,000
read my post right above u
yeah its not a big deal as long as the overall crime rate goes down,
realistically it doesnt matter if somebody gets killed in the projects or in the suburbs at the end of the day its just a statistic, what is important is that the murder rate goes down
why is it ok to be "realistic" about crime when it comes to project residents, but not "realistic" when it comes to other people
do project people feel less pain then the suburban resident when they or an acquaintance gets killed?
is this is how you show your concern? by herding them? again another example of how public housing strips away the individuality of project residents and another example of why black people should be wary of socialist/marxist/liberal ideologies and solutions
every city is different and there are a lot of factors involved, but one thing for sure is that tearing down projects hasnt increased crime
my point was that the government owning your home is unamerican because the american economic system is based on private ownership of property
i dont see what people that dont live in projects have to do with that point
i said its unamerican for the government to own your home and for the government to tell you where to live, that is why projects are unamerican
i wasnt referring to renters, renters have nothing to do with what im saying
i know what projects were designed for, im referring to what they have become
my mans broke it down already at 7:24, its not the objective that you need to look at, its what is actually happening
im not sure what is so hard to understand, projects are unamerican because the government should not own your home, and projects represent a suppression of economic rights and individual rights
just the fact that half the posters in this thread talk nonchalantly about herding project residents into central locations to concentrate crime is evidence of the suppression of economic freedom and individual freedom the public housing system represents
its not for me or you or the government to tell an american citizen where they should live and government policies should focus on maximization of economic freedom and individual rights which public housing does not do
who the fuk are you to tell an american citizen that they should live in a certain area because you want to protect property values and concentrate crime?
your social engineering
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read my post right above u
I did. All that future talk means nothing. Not growing up in the ghetto? I see what you're thinking. Out of the ghetto=the ignorance slowly dies off. Unfortunately it dont always work like that. Like you said gangsters are gonna be gangsters. There's always gonna be gangsters, theres always gonna be thugs. As I said in previous posts, in no way am i ever insinuating that all people in the projects are bad. Its only the bad people that live there that give those places a bad rep, and when those leave there they are not gonna leave their rep behind, they're only gonna take it wherever they go. And thats NOT just for theprojects, thats for the hood in general
Tearing down the projects aint gonna solve anything. As stated many times in this thread, even by yourself, gangsters are gonna be gangsters. The good ones who wanna get out, will get out. The ones who dont, will end up in prison or dead...
BTW Congrats on your pops making it out, and making a better life for you, a lot of people dont know who their daddy is, and even worse some know who theirs is and wish they didnt.
stealthbomber
cruising at 30,000
you know what, i agree. i been thinking about it and projects or not, there's gonna be crime, grimy nikkas, and gangs. and im not tryna insinuate the hood makes people bad. im just saying when you live in it, it shapes you, for good or bad. some of the most intelligent people ive met were from the grimiest places in cali.
yeah bruh, i know a lotta people whos still boxed up. my cousins...
one of em caught a murder charge and another is on the same track..you know what, i agree. i been thinking about it and projects or not, there's gonna be crime, grimy nikkas, and gangs. and im not tryna insinuate the hood makes people bad. im just saying when you live in it, it shapes you, for good or bad. some of the most intelligent people ive met were from the grimiest places in cali.
yeah bruh, i know a lotta people whos still boxed up. my cousins...
Exactly. Your pops was from the hood, but you're posting on the coli right now and aint out in the streets. Your cousin from the hood and he's locked up in a box with somebody he never even met before wondering where it all went wrong. Point is not everybody from the hood is bad, some really wanna get out and make a better life for themselves and their kids, and some just dont give a fukk. The ones that really wanna get out will find a way. Some legally, some not so legally, but they're trying. On the other hand some just wanna stay in the hood and get their "gangsta" up...
On second thought this is a bad example. I dont know your cousins situation, and no disrespect to him or his parents, but you see the point i'm trying to prove
And there it is folks, if you ever needed any evidence that projects are a disgusting piece of left wing social engineering just look at this thread and the condescending attitudes of people that are pro projects
It's crazy how people talk so blithely about herding people, if kingpinog had said anything close to some of the comments said here by so called well meaning liberals about protecting property values and isolating "criminal" communities there would have been an uproar
I grew up in the projects and this thread confirms what I've been thinking for a while which is that all these black and white liberals trying to herd people into tenaments can eat a dikk
It's crazy how people talk so blithely about herding people, if kingpinog had said anything close to some of the comments said here by so called well meaning liberals about protecting property values and isolating "criminal" communities there would have been an uproar
I grew up in the projects and this thread confirms what I've been thinking for a while which is that all these black and white liberals trying to herd people into tenaments can eat a dikk