What culture/country in the diaspora has the most African cultural retention?

[get these nets]

Nah

Maroons>>every other African descendant group includes Haitians
Haitian culture is a creole culture

What language do the Maroons speak?


If the answer is any version or variation of English...then their modern culture is bit more creolized than we are admitting.

 

[Samori Toure]

Nah

Maroons>>every other African descendant group includes Haitians
Haitian culture is a creole culture

https://glc.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/Gullah Song.pdf

 

[BigMan]

What language do the Maroons speak?


If the answer is any version or variation of English...then their modern culture is bit more creolized than we are admitting.

Maroons are a diverse group of people that speak multiple languages (many come from English but you wouldn’t know)including Saramaccan, Ndujka, palenquero, Garifuna, etc. Jamaican Maroons also used to speak Kromanti, derived from English and Twi (Ghanaian language)
See link below
Bushinengue - Wikipedia

Btw Creole comes from 17th century French so any claim Haitians retained as much or more African culture than Maroons is moot.

https://glc.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/Gullah Song.pdf

Maroon (people) - Wikipedia



Particularly the maroons of Suriname and French Guyana have retained the most African culture .

You’re song is from the 30s. Maroons in Suriname/FG still practice African culture

 

[Samori Toure]

Maroons are a diverse group of people that speak multiple languages (many come from English but you wouldn’t know)including Saramaccan, Ndujka, palenquero, Garifuna, etc. Jamaican Maroons also used to speak Kromanti, derived from English and Twi (Ghanaian language)
See link below
Bushinengue - Wikipedia

Btw Creole comes from 17th century French so any claim Haitians retained as much or more African culture than Maroons is moot.

Maroon (people) - Wikipedia



Particularly the maroons of Suriname and French Guyana have retained the most African culture .

You’re song is from the 30s. Maroons in Suriname/FG still practice African culture

That song is from the 1700s or even before, because it is a Mende funeral song that the Gullah were singing in the USA. The researchers didn't discover it until the 1930s; and later yet another research group went to the exact Mende Village in Sierra Leone where that song came from hundred of years earlier.

 

[get these nets]

The concentrated cultural retention of, say Maroons or Garifuna, in those respective nationalities/cultures are comparable to the genetic and cultural African-ness of Haiti in general.

Maroons are a diverse group of people that speak multiple languages (many come from English but you wouldn’t know)including Saramaccan, Ndujka, palenquero, Garifuna, etc. Jamaican Maroons also used to speak Kromanti, derived from English and Twi (Ghanaian language)
See link below
Bushinengue - Wikipedia

Btw Creole comes from 17th century French so any claim Haitians retained as much or more African culture than Maroons is moot.

Maroon (people) - Wikipedia



Particularly the maroons of Suriname and French Guyana have retained the most African culture .

You’re song is from the 30s. Maroons in Suriname/FG still practice African culture

Like I implied in my early post, using the term "respective"...............by Maroon I am speaking about Jamaica.....by Garifuna was talking about Central America.

Your answer to my question about what language the (JA) Maroons speak was.............a variation/version of English. A creole version of English. It was a rhetorical question .

9 out of ten of the people in Haiti are (more or less) directly African, maybe 100% of the people on the island speak/understand Kreyol, not measurable what % of the country practices Vodou either openly or clandestinely under Catholicism....those who don't practice are somewhat aware or familiar with it.
Blood, language, belief systems....African, (mostly) African,(partially) African

 

[BigMan]

Like I implied in my early post, using the term "respective"...............by Maroon I am speaking about Jamaica.....by Garifuna was talking about Central America.

Your answer to my question about what language the (JA) Maroons speak was.............a variation/version of English. A creole version of English. It was a rhetorical question .

9 out of ten of the people in Haiti are (more or less) directly African, maybe 100% of the people on the island speak/understand Kreyol, not measurable what % of the country practices Vodou either openly or clandestinely under Catholicism....those who don't practice are somewhat aware or familiar with it.
Blood, language, belief systems....African, (mostly) African,(partially) African

Do you not know that Maroon refers a variety of people across various countries? The largest Maroon communities exist in Suriname. These are facts.
What you just wrote for Haiti could easily be said for most of the Caribbean

Kreyol is not an African language anymore than any other creole languages in the Caribbean but if we are measuring, the Maroon languages of Suriname easily have the most African input
Saramaka - Wikipedia

Ndyuka language - Wikipedia
Also the Garifuna language derived from Indigenous American languages not a European language like Kreyol
And the African cultural retention in Suriname is not just bloodline and religion

 

[get these nets]

Do you not know that Maroon refers a variety of people across various countries? The largest Maroon communities exist in Suriname. These are facts.
What you just wrote for Haiti could easily be said for most of the Caribbean

Kreyol is not an African language anymore than any other creole languages in the Caribbean but if we are measuring, the Maroon languages of Suriname easily have the most African input
Saramaka - Wikipedia

Ndyuka language - Wikipedia
Also the Garifuna language derived from Indigenous American languages not a European language like Kreyol
And the African cultural retention in Suriname is not just bloodline and religion

I know that maroon is a general term for new world Africans who created their own societies during the slavery era. I used it directly to refer to JA.

Because of the unique history of St.Domingue/Haiti, I don't think what was written about Haiti can accurately describe any other former colony. The sheer % of Africans vs euros during the slave era in SD, the death turnover rate of Africans and the constant bringing in of new Africans.....the absence of the mostly extinct original indigenous group, the revolution succeeding and removing most of the whites from the country and over 200 years of (relative) cultural and genetic isolation didn't occur any other place. If ,so I'd like to know where.
African cultures were able to blend and coalesce there pretty much undisturbed in an ENTIRE country.

I know that you have heritage from former French, English and Dutch colonies, so you might have more first hand knowledge about this than I do, but until I check everything out, I'm gonna stand by what I wrote.

 

[Elle Driver]

All that people have to do is talk to their parents or grandparents and ask them about the old people. The first thing that most people are going to learn is that their people moved from those regions at some point. Another thing that they are going to find out is that a lot of their grandparents sounded like James Brown. You literally couldn't understand a lot of what they were saying; until they got a switch and then somehow your ass focused.

Hell my dad sounded like that except with Louisiana twang everybody could understand even with the fast country way they spoke.

 

[intruder]

Actually I think that most African Americans are going to be related to Gullah and Geechee people, because about 80% of African Americans can trace an ancestors that arrived in Charleston, South Carolina.

Slavery in The Lowcountry - International African American Museum
African Americans - South Carolina Encyclopedia
African American Heritage - Charleston SC

So just because an African American does not know about the Gullah Geechee people; that does not mean that they are not descended from them.

Case in point is my mother. She and I did some genetic testing on AncestyDNA; 23andme and African Ancestry. We learned that her maternal line is Mende from Sierra Leone, which is one of the ethnic groups from the Rice Coast of West Africa that was brought to the USA. One of her genetic communities on AncestryDNA is South Carolina (which includes Georgia and North Carolina), while one of mine is Coastal North Carolina.

My mother's DNA lines up with the oral family history that her mother and her aunt gave us while they were alive, which is that our family moved to West Tennessee after the Civil War from an area on the North Carolina/South Carolina border by the ocean. DNA testing shows that my mother still has 4th cousins that live in South Carolina and coastal North Carolina.

Yeah but the thread is about cultural retention. We all have African DNA. No-one is denying we're all descendants of Africans.

We've all been stripped of the bulk of our heritage one way or another. The thread is about the little bit each group managed to retain. It wouldn't matter if 100% of AAs were Gullah by blood. What they retained from that culture is what we're trying to get to the bottom of. This why I said many may not even know what Gullah is.

 

[intruder]

Duplicate

 

[BigMan]

I know that maroon is a general term for new world Africans who created their own societies during the slavery era. I used it directly to refer to JA.

Because of the unique history of St.Domingue/Haiti, I don't think what was written about Haiti can accurately describe any other former colony. The sheer % of Africans vs euros during the slave era in SD, the death turnover rate of Africans and the constant bringing in of new Africans.....the absence of the mostly extinct original indigenous group, the revolution succeeding and removing most of the whites from the country and over 200 years of (relative) cultural and genetic isolation didn't occur any other place. If ,so I'd like to know where.
African cultures were able to blend and coalesce there pretty much undisturbed in an ENTIRE country.

I know that you have heritage from former French, English and Dutch colonies, so you might have more first hand knowledge about this than I do, but until I check everything out, I'm gonna stand by what I wrote.

I’ve been to Haiti and Suriname breh Issa difference

 

[Samori Toure]

Duplicate

African Americans have probably retained more cultural identity than any other African group in the diaspora. Do people not realize the cultural attributes retained by African Americans?

1. The Blues. You only here that music in Senegambia/Mali and the USA. From the Blues we get all other American music forms (Country, Jazz, Gospel, Blue Grass, Rock and Roll, Soul, R&B, Disco, House Music, etc.).
2. Rapping. That is from the Griots, that is how they remembered family lineages and Kingships.
3. Islam. Islam survives in African American churches to this very day and it is generally believed that is where we get shouting from, which is believed to be derived from the Islamic tradition of the "Shawt"or Tawaf. The slaves even did a dance movement called the "Ring Shout"
4. Food. These rice dishes you see in the USA (Jambalya, Hoppin John, Gumbo, some of which are offshoots of Jollof Rice which is a dish from Senegambia). Afterall they were brought here to grow rice and they brought their rice dishes and other cuisine.
5. Names. Many names like Malik, Fatima, Omar, etc. came from West Africa.
6. Language. Many of the words in Gullah have been traced right back to Mende.
7. The Dozens. Joking relationship between friends and close family.

On and on and on. The funniest part is that people think that African Americans have retained the least amount of culture, but when African Americans sit down and think about it they might realize that they may have retained nearly the most. The reason that they probably retained so much is because it was so few of them actually brought to the USA and most of them came near the same time and from related tribes (Mende, Mandingos, Susu, other Mande tribes, as well as Kongo, Angolan and Fulani).

What culture/country in the diaspora has the most African cultural retention?

 

[intruder]

African Americans have probably retained more cultural identity than any other African group in the diaspora. Do people not realize the cultural attributes retained by African Americans?

1. The Blues. You only here that music in Senegambia/Mali and the USA. From the Blues we get all other American music forms (Country, Jazz, Gospel, Blue Grass, Rock and Roll, Soul, R&B, Disco, House Music, etc.).


2. Rapping. That is from the Griots, that is how they remembered family lineages and Kingships.

Playboy no-one is denying the african roots of these genres other than African americans themselves. I'll try to dig the thread up but it's usually the AA coli brehs on here that are acting like African Americans invented all these music out of thin air with no influence from anywhere else. Typical american (black and white) mentality = America invented everything that ever was and ever will be.
If im not mistaken there was a thread where this clown was saying how AA music is the most influential and that Africans were actually appropriating AA culture in music. I remember going back and forth with some clown that was saying all other blacks were culture vultures of american culture. I'll look it up and post a link when i find it but let that sink in for a moment.


But if you want a sample of my people's music... Have at it





Let that sync in. Even our somewhat westerized genre of music (konpa) is closely related to Senegalese and Angolan Kizomba music






And God forbid you let the voodoo LOAS/GAWDS name Boukman blend their african drummed racine style with western electric guitars and you get jams like this spitting lyrics like:

mezanmi yo palé nou mal oooh.
Ayisyen yo pale nou mal ohh..
Yo di kilti'n se dyab oooo....
Pi douvan n'a wè sa anyeeeeeeee

Pwazon rat! Samba yo teé palé'ou!
Translation: "Dear brothers they're soiling our names/ My fellow haitians they've soiled our names saying our [african] culture is that of the devil/ We'll see about that further down the line



Damn i forgot how much i loved this joint right here
Wish all black people could undersood they lyrics

 

[intruder]

3. Islam. Islam survives in African American churches to this very day and it is generally believed that is where we get shouting from, which is believed to be derived from the Islamic tradition of the "Shawt"or Tawaf. The slaves even did a dance movement called the "Ring Shout"

African americans arent the only ones who have a faction of Islam among them. Just because Americans have access to the world's largest media markets and can broadcast themselves to all others doesnt mean others arent. Jamaicans have Rastafarians and Islam among them along with Christians.

I'm Haitian. AND YOU KNOW DAMN WELL WHAT WE'RE MOST FAMOUS FOR: VOODOO

So spare me the nonsense as if your islamic faction is some unique African heritage Trophy

 

[intruder]

4. Food. These rice dishes you see in the USA (Jambalya, Hoppin John, Gumbo, some of which are offshoots of Jollof Rice which is a dish from Senegambia). Afterall they were brought here to grow rice and they brought their rice dishes and other cuisine.

Breh... have you seen Caribbean dishes? Go to any Caribbean restaurant and ask them for something WITHOUT rice and see how they look at you
And you know Americans (black and white) dont eat rice as much as Caribbean people do. For ever 1/2 cup of rice the average american consumes the average caribbean person eats about 10 cups. Let me help you out a bit with the other foods

Ivorian Calalou

Jamaican Calalou

Haitian Lalo

African Fufu/Placali

Haitian Tomtom

I can go on and on when it comes to foods.

And you know damn well Americans (black and white) just recently started eating plantains, yuca and avocados. WHen i first moved to the U.S. i was amazed how avocados used to sit and rot off trees in South Florida.