What are yall pros and Cons with AEW?

[Playaz Eyez]

Totally forgot about the women’s division

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Cons: It's Chinese play fighting, you marks lol lol lol

 

[John Reena]

Pros: Fresh new talent getting a national platform.

Cons: Needs to cut out the Indy/childish stuff like Best Friends hugging, Michael
Nakazawa, Janela sucks, no feuds or rivalries that mean something or make sense.

 

[BlackAchilles]

They have that corny CAC indy mark humor thats gonna go fly south quick.

I want AEW to succeed and push WWE to not be horrendous, but this is probably the biggest turn off

We talk about Vince's sense of humor being cringe, but the Bucks Omega et al cam be just as bad; I'd like to see them try not to take the piss, but if they just go out their w/ that bullshyt whacking off in the ring

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Does someone wanna do a spin off thread of pros and cons of WWE at this point?

Im sorry but the cringe humor of the WWE is worse than this “indie shyt” some if y’all are talking about

Too many wack ass talk shows, all of Becky’s recent promos..... yep.... make a thread someone


Cuz right now as of this moment it’s:

NJPW
AEW
IMPACT
ROH
MLW
“Indie shyt”
WWE

 

[krackdagawd]

Adam Page is a fantastic worker, believable and better all round pro wrestler as a package than Kenny Omega. .

Name 3 good Adam Page matches name 1 that doesn't have bells n whistles and 3 other wrestlers in it

Tell me about his "character" he's a cowboy and?

Name 1 promo as good as Omega post g1 win joint


How is Omega older than him yet in better shape


Nah Page ain't it and dude was stinking up the joint in Japan, he just started to get decent last g1. His post match interviews he talking about having small balls and shyt this is whom these dudes banking on.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I don’t get the Adam Page hate

Dude is overall decent.

Seems like this is another case of “I don’t like and refuse to like him out of spite because y’all trynna choose to make me like him” shyt

So with that being the case and no one wants the other EVPs to get their HHH on.

Who else should be the man in AEW? Joey Janela? Darby? Jungle Boy? Y2J? Moxley?

It’s too early for MJF, so who?-

 

[VegetasHairline]

Does someone wanna do a spin off thread of pros and cons of WWE at this point?

Im sorry but the cringe humor of the WWE is worse than this “indie shyt” some if y’all are talking about

Too many wack ass talk shows, all of Becky’s recent promos..... yep.... make a thread someone


Cuz right now as of this moment it’s:

NJPW
AEW
IMPACT
ROH
MLW
“Indie shyt”
WWE

We don't need a pros and cons thread on WWE. AEW is a new company. Not everyone watches or knows about it. This thread is informative for those people. We get it, you're anti WWE. Why bring it up in every thread?

 

[TrueEpic08]

Pros:

Putting established talent in the ring with young guys and letting the young guys shine. This was more of a thing at Fyter Fest than DON, but having Darby Allin take Cody to the limit, and Joey Janella main event with Ambrose is the type of shyt you'd never see in WWE or even ROH/TNA at this stage.

An interesting collection of talent.

Their Road To... hype vids and character videos are unlike what any other company is doing. Weird since Being The Elite is so trash.

In ring freedom. Pretty clear talent can do whatever the fukk they want in the ring and aren't being micro managed at all. They let guys get their characters over through the matches.

Cons:

Fyter Fest had multiple instances of booking in a way that went counter to what they were trying to do with the match. Darby Allin kills himself and takes Cody to the limit in what should be a star making match, but it's immediately undercut by a WWE jobber blasting Cody in the head with a chair and doing a concussion angle to the point where it completely overshadowed anything Darby did and you left the match only thinking about Cody. It was a similar thing with Mox/Janella where after 20 minutes of Janella killing himself, you left the match forgetting he even existed because of the Omega/Mox stuff.

The entire women's division. Outside of the joshi girls, it's fukking terrible. Nyla Rose is garbage and two shows in they've portrayed her as the dominant force of the division only to immediately undercut it at DON with Awesome Kong and having her get pinned by a woman 150 pounds smaller than her at FF. Brittney Baker sucks, Allie sucks, Brandi sucks in the ring, not Bayley wasn't very impressive either. They made a big deal about how they were going to pay the women equal to the men* (*as long as they were used in the same position on the card, and it's obvious the women they have now are never going to be close to the main events), how important their division is going to be, and it might as well be Women of Honor tier trash. Honestly they played themselves hyping up their women's division like they were doing the Women's Revolution thing but WWE, who were already behind the times, have pretty much all the female talent in the US, 3 of the best from Japan, the best from the UK, and are willing to put them in main events on TV, PPV, and even Wrestlemania. Also Leva Bates is maybe the worst wrestler I've ever seen.

Jim Ross. He's old and terrible, has no passion left, doesn't get any of the references the talent and other announcers make, and was clearly regretting his decision to join the company during multiple things on Fyter Fest.

These are all good points I kind of glossed over in my post. I think they have a little too much freedom in the ring (or at least, a lack of knowledge about what kinds of matches to do in what slots), but letting the talent do their thing really isn't a con in and of itself. They just need to understand that there's more than one way to do your thing. And the effort they put into video production really shows in the Road to shows and their in-show video packages. Really great stuff there.

I've mostly complimented their long-term booking so far, but too often they've wanted to accomplish three things in segments where you can really only accomplish one. If you want to shoot the Shawn Spears angle, fine, but don't do it when you're trying to establish Darby Allin. I'm almost inclined to give them a pass with the Omega/Mox beatdown, since it doesn't seem that Janela is going to be more than a midcarder, but the same problem is there. The only person to really even sort of succeed at this type of booking is Paul Heyman, and even ECW diehards kind of tired of it at points.

Women's division is full of good hands and quality foreign talent, but has no real stars. As I said, they're also kind of half-assing their pushes in this division, but of the pool of top female talent in WWE, AEW, and Impact, would any of AEW's women be top 5 stars? This is why they should have done everything in their power to get someone like a Tessa Blanchard from Impact, because she's an actual star in the making, with real charisma (being a better worker than all the North American women in AEW doesn't hurt either). shyt, Rosemary's contract was up earlier this year, she checks most of those boxes as well. I don't think it's going to be Women of Honor terrible, but they have real work to do on this front.

JR has his value, but Excalibur really needs to be the lead announcer. JR can teach him the more subtle aspects of play-by-play commentary (particularly as it concerns selling angles and storytelling), but he'd be a better producer or consultant than play-by-play guy at this point.

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

until it' on on a weekly basis i don't think it's fair to contemplate on this

 

[Bryan Danielson]

We don't need a pros and cons thread on WWE. AEW is a new company. Not everyone watches or knows about it. This thread is informative for those people. We get it, you're anti WWE. Why bring it up in every thread?

Naw we do.

And we get it, you’re anti AEW. Which is fine.

Though I think it’s a tad bit too early to really access a “pros and cons” to a company that’s only had like 3 shows and we’ve really yet to see all their talent shine.

But I do get the purpose of this. Also, this the first time you and I’ve ever had a conversations. I’m not in “every thread”

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I think we need to let them breath a bit and give them till the end of the year cuz we really don’t know what they are going to bring

If we judge them off ALL IN we can assume we’re gonna see a lot of dikk druids (something Vince would love) but pet Tony Khan, he hated that shyt and there is no place for that under his reign.

We gotta see how this shyt plays out a little bit more

 

[El Guapo]

Pros: New thinking. After watching WWE for so long it's nice to see a new point of view on how a wrestling show could work. I also like how it's not over produced. Fresh faces. Doing hardcore stuff. No Vince being in the announcers' ears. Wrestler's seemingly have free reign on their characters and no scripted promos.

Cons: All these AEW wrestlers are tiny. They need some wrestlers with some size I'm not talking about Big Show/Kane plodding type wrestlers, but more so someone like Sheamus sized wrestlers that move in the ring. Also some of their YouTube stuff doesn't translate well on TV. Like the Librarian stuff. On YouTube, it's a minute at most and you can live with and it's not in front of an audience so you can't tell if it's bombing or not. But when that was on FyterFest, oh lawd you can tell how awful that was. Need better theme music.

 

[BrehWyatt]

Pros: Most everything else. Too young to have really shown warts. But to be specific?
- The women feel diverse gimmick and look-wise and are legitimately allowed to show their skill.
- A lot of future stars in the fold. Should be good for a long time and the way the federation is set up, legitimately feels like anyone could get the rocket at any time.


Cons: The fans who believe AEW does everything right compared to WWE, like Chris Jericho isn't about to be the first champion in the company's history.

 

[VegetasHairline]

Naw we do.

And we get it, you’re anti AEW. Which is fine.

Though I think it’s a tad bit too early to really access a “pros and cons” to a company that’s only had like 3 shows and we’ve really yet to see all their talent shine.

But I do get the purpose of this. Also, this the first time you and I’ve ever had a conversations. I’m not in “every thread”

What's the point of a pro/con WWE thread?

I'm also not anti AEW, I'm giving this company a chance. I have no bias towards anyone.

The fact that we don't converse frequently is irrelevant. I read threads and you're clearly anti WWE. Saying every thread was hyperbole.