What are the best World Title reigns of all time?
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Those numbers are not indicative of who the huge draw is. Punk was a disaster. No one watched to see Cripple H..he was around when guys were hot. Michaels failed and if he hadn't, Austin would of never got pushed. Period. Don't be naive and play yourself. If Shawn was a draw, Cena wouldn't of been so hard in 07. They would of kept the belt on Michaels in 02. He's a loser. A guy propped up on ring ability because he couldn't cut it.If Shawn Michaels was "not a draw" and "bombed huge" yet sits in the middle of the pack...
I'd love to hear your thoughts on Eddie G as a draw
that sounds like a whole lot of... just your opinion, fam. If house show ticket sales numbers aren't the right numbers, how about PPV buys. Let's see...
WM11 - Michaels vs Deisel main event - 261k buys
WM12 - Michaels vs Hart main event - 301k buys
WM13 - Taker vs Sid main event, Bret-Austin and LOD all on the show, no Shawn - 218k buys
I would have expected an uptick in buys for 13 if Shawn was such an anti-draw
Fact is, the higest drawing WWF PPV of 1997 wasn't WrestleMania (the one Shawn missed), it was Survivor Series 97 (If memory serves me right, HBK was in the main event). Pretty sure 1997 is the only year in which a non-Mania PPV drew the most buys. Really makes you think.
The evidence seems to suggest that in reality HBK was a middling draw, neither GOAT nor WOAT level as a dime-getter, but you want to make believe he was the absolute worst because you don't like him
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If house show ticket sales numbers aren't the right numbers, how about PPV buys. Let's see...
WM11 - Michaels vs Deisel main event - 261k buys
WM12 - Michaels vs Hart main event - 301k buys
WM13 - Taker vs Sid main event, Bret-Austin and LOD all on the show, no Shawn - 218k buys
I would have expected an uptick in buys for 13 if Shawn was such an anti-draw
Fact is, the higest drawing WWF PPV of 1997 wasn't WrestleMania (the one Shawn missed), it was Survivor Series 97 (If memory serves me right, HBK was in the main event). Pretty sure 1997 is the only year in which a non-Mania PPV drew the most buys. Really makes you think.
The evidence seems to suggest that in reality HBK was a middling draw, neither GOAT nor WOAT level as a dime-getter, but you want to make believe he was the absolute worst because you don't like him
Exactly this.
-the beginning poaching of stars to WCW
-still had steroid scandal stench/transition to smaller dudes
-terrible gimmicks/storylines
That was why 95-97 was hard times, you just have to go watch the shows and you will see. It wasn't Michaels/Hart/Diesel/Taker not being draws, they were definitely the high spots of that company in that era... The blame lies elsewhere and people in here are caught in Bret/HBK stan wars I assume, because no one is coming off reasonable
why do yall argue this chit like its boxing??
wrestling is more about the overall show, not just the main event. the wrestlers and/or matches that legit draw for the entire show are few and far between.
dudes look silly in here arguing about wrestlemania 12, thinking that bret/hbk drew anything. HALF OF THE CROWD DIDNT EVEN STAY TO WATCH THEIR MATCH. but hey, dont mind me - someone who was actuallly around. yall can keep on wasting your lives circle-jerking off of force-fed narratives.
wrestling is more about the overall show, not just the main event. the wrestlers and/or matches that legit draw for the entire show are few and far between.
dudes look silly in here arguing about wrestlemania 12, thinking that bret/hbk drew anything. HALF OF THE CROWD DIDNT EVEN STAY TO WATCH THEIR MATCH. but hey, dont mind me - someone who was actuallly around. yall can keep on wasting your lives circle-jerking off of force-fed narratives.