What Africa might look like if it had never been colonized

[Blackking]

Non-Arab Muslims hate to think that their Prophet was a white man. It bothers the fukk out of them.

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by all accounts he was brown.... but even if he was a white guy that wouldn't matter.

You claim to have been to the mid east. I been to 4 nations in the mid east........ How do you come to the conclusion that Arabs are white? There are brown people, some white, and some black .

 

[bouncy]

I stopped reading after the first line because the rest is rambling. What links do you have that arabs mated with neanderthals considering those beings are found exclusively in europe.

I gave it to you. Read the post, if you want to know!.

 

[bouncy]

They have white skin. They are white. Brown people means known when there are Greeks, Italians and people from the Balkans who are just as brown in some cases, especially historically.

They are NOT European. The problem is you think that white = European.

You mean some are white. I had one who was dark, thought I was stealing in his store, and I was telling him stop being prejudiced of me because I'm black and he said "what do you think I am?" They are a mixture of races really.

 

[Blackking]

On one hand we have arab....

HaplogroupE1b1b is the most frequent haplogroup in Western Arabs (Maghrebis) while haplogroup J is the most frequent haplogroup in Eastern Arabs (Mashriq)
J-M267 is uncommon in most of Europe, but it is found in some sub-populations in southern Europe. ( i wonder y)

J*(xJ-M172) was found in India, in frequencies among Indian Muslims

The area including eastern Turkey and the Zagros and Taurus mountains, has been identified as a likely area of ancient J-M267 diversity. Both J-P58 and other types of J-M267 are present, sometimes with similar frequencies.

Canary islands is not known to have had any Semitic language. There J-M267 is dominated by J-P58, and dispersed in a very uneven manner according to studies so far, often but not always being lower among Berber and/or non-urban populations. In Ethiopia there are signs of older movements of J-M267 into Africa across the Red Sea, not only in the J-P58 form.

The Paternal Ancestry found across all Arabic countries is Haplogroup J1 especially its major subclade J-P58 the haplogroup that spread with Arabic conquest.


On the other hand we have this

The work suggests that the skin-whitening mutation occurred by chance in a single individual after the first human exodus from Africa, when all people were brown-skinned. That person's offspring apparently thrived as humans moved northward into what is now Europe, helping to give rise to the lightest of the world's races.
The work also reveals for the first time that Asians owe their relatively light skin to different mutations.

Geneticists agree that Europe is the most genetically homogeneous of all the continents (but for some reason cac always say stupid shyt like I'm not white I'm german... I'm not white I'm French)
Haplogroup R1b is common all over Europe but especially common in Western Europe
Haplogroup R1a, almost entirely in the R1a1a sub-clade, is prevalent in much of Eastern and Central Europe
Haplogroup N is common only in the northeast of Europe and in the form of its N1c1 sub-clade reaches frequencies of approximately 60%
Apart from the outlying Saami, all Europeans are characterized by the predominance of haplogroups H, U and T




How all of this came about

 

[godkiller]

They are white friend. They are definitely darker than most Europeans and have different facial features but I would by and large assess them as having white or fair skin. I never said they were European.

Asians have fair skin too. They are not white. White people are not the only people on the planet with fair skin. White people's fair skin comes from a different mutation relative to Arabs and Asians. This in itself presupposes the notion Arabs are not white. Their brown skin comes from a different mutation to European's.

Yup CACin along with my fellow CAC Arabs.

You're white ho.

White means European and those who fit into that genetic constellation. Anyone that does not follow white European genetic pattern or cline is not white. Arabs fit into a different cline and separate from white Europeans so therefore they are not white. There are in fact multiple ways to determine genetic relation and in none of them indicate Arabs are white.

 

[godkiller]

Maybe he has a gradient sheet where he grades ones skin and determines whether they are white or black. I wonder what Austin Rivers would be.

Well Austin Rivers' designation is irrelevant to this discussion. His status is neither here nor there when it comes to discussions about Asians, Indians, etc.

 

[godkiller]

I'm going to ask you again: what makes a redheaded, freckled Irishman the same as a blonde, blue-eyed Swede? They are in different haplogroups and differ in phenotypes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M253

I'll wait

Both the Irish and Swedes have recognized European origin haplogroups, meaning haplogroups only or mostly found in Europe. Arabs J1 haplogroup originated in The Middle East and is not found in Northern Europe. This indicates that J1 haplogroup is not a European origin haplogroup, meaning it is not native to whites and does not define the European group.. The most common European haplogroup is R1b, I think, and that haplogroup does not extend into Arabia or Africa.

 

[ChatGPT-5]

Well Austin Rivers' designation is irrelevant to this discussion. His status is neither here nor there when it comes to discussions about Asians, Indians, etc.

It absolutely has everything to do with the discussion if you were paying attention (which you were not) because the moment he starts talking about skin tone instead of race is the moment you can pull any person off the street who's shade is similar to white or black and associate them with said race even when they are not.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

It would look better than it does now. With the whites came weapons of mass killing, illness and disease unknown to the continent, synthetic materials and other carcinogens, animals not native to the continent, famine ,widespread exploitation and destruction. Hopefully soon Africans and Arabs totally overrun Europe and impregnate their women eventually breeding out the white man at the source. I want no part of their civilization left unmolested. I hope they get a full measure of what their fathers did to the what is now, Africa.

 

[godkiller]

It absolutely has everything to do with the discussion if you were paying attention (which you were not) because the moment he starts talking about skin tone instead of race is the moment you can pull any person off the street who's shade is similar to white or black and associate them with said race even when they are not.

No, it does not. Austin Rivers is white/black mixed race. There is no question as to what he is and where his features originate. The question is more puzzling for Asians, Indians, Arabs, etc.

 

[barese]

Both the Irish and Swedes have recognized European origin haplogroups, meaning haplogroups only or mostly found in Europe. Arabs J1 haplogroup originated in The Middle East and is not found in Northern Europe. This indicates that J1 haplogroup is not a European origin haplogroup, meaning it is not native to whites and does not define the European group.. The most common European haplogroup is R1b, I think, and that haplogroup does not extend into Arabia or Africa.

True.

Although there is additional haplotype pattern possibly connecting southern Europe and nothern Africa (this seems, however, irrelevant to your black/white discussion, which would depend of where one puts the line):

In 2000, Semino's study on Y DNA revealed the presence of haplotypes belonging to the large clade E1b1b1 (E-M35). These were predominantly found in the southern Balkans, southern Italy and parts of Iberia. Semino connected this pattern, along with J haplogroup subclades, to be the Y-DNA component of Cavalli-Sforza's Neolithic demic-diffusion of farmers from the Near East.[83] Rosser et al. rather saw it as a (direct) 'North African component' in European genealogy, although they did not propose a timing and mechanism to account for it.[84] Underhill and Kivisild (2007) also described E1b1b as representing a late-Pleistocene migration from Africa to Europe over the Sinai Peninsula in Egypt, evidence for which does not show up in mitochondrial DNA.[85]

Concerning timing the distribution and diversity of V13 however, Battaglia et al. (2008) proposed an earlier movement whereby the E-M78* lineage ancestral to all modern E-V13 men moved rapidly out of a Southern Egyptian homeland and arrived in Europe with only Mesolithic technologies. They then suggest that the E-V13 sub-clade of E-M78 only expanded subsequently as native Balkan 'foragers-cum-farmers' adopted Neolithic technologies from the Near East. They propose that the first major dispersal of E-V13 from the Balkans may have been in the direction of the Adriatic Sea with the Neolithic Impressed Ware culture often referred to as Impressaor Cardial. Peričic et al. (2005), rather propose that the main route of E-V13 spread was along the Vardar-Morava-Danube river 'highway' system.

In contrast to Battaglia, Cruciani et al. (2007) tentatively suggested (i) a different point where the V13 mutation happened on its way from Egypt to the Balkans via the Middle East, and (ii) a later dispersal time. The authors proposed that the V13 mutation first appeared in western Asia, where it is found in low but significant frequencies, whence it entered the Balkans sometime after 11 kYa. It later experienced a rapid dispersal which he dated to c. 5300 years ago in Europe, coinciding with the Balkan Bronze Age. Like Peričic et al. they consider that "the dispersion of the E-V13 and J-M12 haplogroups seems to have mainly followed the river waterways connecting the southern Balkans to north-central Europe".

This is an ongoing research....

 

[godkiller]

True.

Although there is additional haplotype pattern possibly connecting southern Europe and nothern Africa (this seems, however, irrelevant to your black/white discussion, which would depend of where one puts the line):



This is an ongoing research....

But it doesn't extend into Europe which presupposes the haplogroup does not originate there. It could just be Berber admixture. I think the Southern Europeans come to an intermediate between Northern Europeans and Berbers. There are also Italians/Spanairds with all kinds of ancestry: Arab, black, etc. I realize this stuf is probably divisive but it is what it is.

 

[Ikwa]

A great threat about Africa gets changed to yet another thread about the Arab boogeymen

HL c00ns and their obsession with Arabs is hazardous

 

[emoney]

That's the problem, you think that white does NOT = european, and it does.

so by your logic you must believe that black = african right?

 

[emoney]

black/white discussion, which would depend of where one puts the line):