What a Women's Right to Choose really means.

[sun raw]

It's human but who gives a fukk? The dangerous rhetoric is when people start calling it a life or a person. Nah it isn't, those terms are specifically used to appeal to emotion. It's the same way that pro-life groups will use, in their visuals, images of fetuses when they're more developed, when they look more identifiably as a human. They'll avoid images of zygotes or whatever the fukk because that shyt doesn't tug at people's heart strings.

If you really need to apply the words life or person in there, it helps to think of them as a potential life or a potential person, I guess? So now it sounds less dehumanizing and more acceptable for some people.

Also there's this weird perception where getting an abortion isn't a difficult choice for a woman for some reason? Like it's a "quick fix" for someone who's lazy?

 

[DEAD7]

It's human but who gives a fukk? The dangerous rhetoric is when people start calling it a life or a person. Nah it isn't, those terms are specifically used to appeal to emotion. It's the same way that pro-life groups will use, in their visuals, images of fetuses when they're more developed, when they look more identifiably as a human. They'll avoid images of zygotes or whatever the fukk because that shyt doesn't tug at people's heart strings.

If you really need to apply the words life or person in there, it helps to think of them as a potential life or a potential person, I guess? So now it sounds less dehumanizing and more acceptable for some people.

Also there's this weird perception where getting an abortion isn't a difficult choice for a woman for some reason? Like it's a "quick fix" for someone who's lazy?

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Well I am a Catholic, and the Catholic church is the single biggest pro life organization in America. I never knew that Catholics don't care about children after they are born. I guess all the Catholic schools, hospitals, clinics, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, etc that are located in EVERY CITY IN AMERICA are all just figments of my imagination. All because some idiot left winger thinks pro life people don't care about children.

What is scary is that you are actually dumb enough to believe the nonsense that you spew, Superunknown.

Oh man what a passionate thought provoking post

Too bad Catholic women are more likely to get abortions than any other religion

 

[sun raw]

Good argument, I agree.

 

[DEAD7]

Good argument, I agree.

There is nothing to argue about we are obviously defining life differently. I am using a dictionary... where does your definition come from?

life
līf/
noun

1. 1.
   the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.
   

 

[sun raw]

There is nothing to argue about we are obviously defining life differently. I am using a dictionary... where does your definition come from?

life
līf/
noun

1. 1.
   the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

My mistake, I think, is assuming that most people, when it comes to abortion, see life as the same thing as personhood. So a human embryo has the potential for life (after all, something like only 30% of fertilized eggs go on to become fetuses). It has the potential to be a person.

Then the question is if it's a person, if it should be extended the rights of person before it has even been born? Nah I'm not with that, to me it will come down to the rights of the person carrying the fetus.

 

[DEAD7]

My mistake, I think, is assuming that most people, when it comes to abortion, see life as the same thing as personhood. So a human embryo has the potential for life (after all, something like only 30% of fertilized eggs go on to become fetuses). It has the potential to be a person.

Then the question is if it's a person, if it should be extended the rights of person before it has even been born? Nah I'm not with that, to me it will come down to the rights of the person carrying the fetus.

That's a good argument/question. Im gonna let roll around a bit, and get back to you.

 

[superunknown23]

Oh man what a passionate thought provoking post

Too bad Catholic women are more likely to get abortions than any other religion

 

[ExodusNirvana]

More than seven in 10 U.S. women obtaining an abortion report a religious affiliation (37% protestant, 28% Catholic and 7% other), and 25% attend religious services at least once a month.[38] The abortion rate for protestant women is 15 per 1,000 women, while Catholic women have a slightly higher rate, 22 per 1,000.[32]

 

[superunknown23]

Skippy has been sonned so many times since the SOHH days, but he keeps coming back

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Skippy has been sonned so many times since the SOHH days, but he keeps coming back

He tried to venture into The Coli today with that stupid Redskins thread and was promptly shat upon

Hard times.

 

[Calmye]

Ah you are correct...1st trimester. But when is the collection of cells an actual person? This can only be answered scienfitically. It can't be based on feelings or religious crap.

I think that will answer my view on the attempt to connect abortion to euthnensia, which is a very flimsy one at best

I haven't brought up religion once as a reason I im against abortion. You answered when you feel a collection of cells become life. With the hart beat. You're moving the goal post breh.

And no that didn't answer my question on youthinasia. You said the government shouldn't have any control over a persons body put youthinasia is currently illegal in all 50 states. Why is it okay for a person to be forst to live in agonizing pain from a medical condition and not have a right end Thier life but a woman has a right to kill her baby because she wants to live her life or just doesn't like the father?

 

[sun raw]

I don't know about youth in Asia but physician-assisted suicide seems okay in my book.

 

[Calmye]

Religious conservatives claim to be pro-life but they really means pro-fetus. Their concept of "life" spans from ejaculation thru birth.
Once that child is born, he's just another dirty moocher (especially a black one)

Well I am a Catholic, and the Catholic church is the single biggest pro life organization in America. I never knew that Catholics don't care about children after they are born. I guess all the Catholic schools, hospitals, clinics, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, etc that are located in EVERY CITY IN AMERICA are all just figments of my imagination. All because some idiot left winger thinks pro life people don't care about children.

What is scary is that you are actually dumb enough to believe the nonsense that you spew, Superunknown.

 

[DEAD7]

Then the question is if it's a person, if it should be extended the rights of person before it has even been born? Nah I'm not with that, to me it will come down to the rights of the person carrying the fetus.

Thought about it, and this position would ok abortion up until the moment before birth