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Let Brooklyn out play them like that in the 4th.
We're not fine the 1st round smh. 2022-2023 Memphis Grizzlies OffSeason Thread
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holidayinn21
:SmugMoneyMike:
Fizz is absolutely clueless right now, and he's in full meltdown mode.
Playing Douglas AND Harrison.
The fukk is wrong with him?
Playing Douglas AND Harrison.
The fukk is wrong with him?
holidayinn21
:SmugMoneyMike:
You know what? I'm not even mad. I've resorted to the fact that this is a 6/7 seed at best awhile ago.
Let us just lose to the Spurs or the Rockets in Round 1 and maybe, just maybe, The Horrible Chris Wallace FINALLY pulls the plug on the overrated "core 4", and brings in some fresh legs and new players. Let Fizz get players that fit his vision. He's tryna manage this season, and manage the divas on this team. We're treading water with an old squad. fukk that.
Let us just lose to the Spurs or the Rockets in Round 1 and maybe, just maybe, The Horrible Chris Wallace FINALLY pulls the plug on the overrated "core 4", and brings in some fresh legs and new players. Let Fizz get players that fit his vision. He's tryna manage this season, and manage the divas on this team. We're treading water with an old squad. fukk that.
Fizledale...Grizz are in for dark days. He played the most athletic lineup he has and complaining about being too slow.
Finally benched Green only to play him more minutes than ever.
Zbo only gets 15 minutes
Burning out Conley for 40+ minutes in a loss to Brooklyn
Harrison goes from not playing to starting
Instead of actually playing to the strength of this roster of pounding the paint the coach wants to spread out and play trendy 2017 basketball.
You can't alienate both Zbo AND TA. Marc and Mike are not alphas.
Finally benched Green only to play him more minutes than ever.
Zbo only gets 15 minutes
Burning out Conley for 40+ minutes in a loss to Brooklyn
Harrison goes from not playing to starting
Instead of actually playing to the strength of this roster of pounding the paint the coach wants to spread out and play trendy 2017 basketball.
You can't alienate both Zbo AND TA. Marc and Mike are not alphas.
holidayinn21
:SmugMoneyMike:
The team leads the league is post-ups by far and Marc is still getting the offense started from the elbow. Hell, we've reverted back to that crap offense for at least the last month.
Shooting more 3's and balancing the offense is a bad thing now? Getting more guys involved in the offense is suddenly a bad thing?
Man, I respect him for what's he's done for the team, but fukk Zach, and especially fukk Tony. We're the only fan base that puts role players, mid-30's role players at that, on a pedestal. This needs to stop.
We've blamed Hollins, then blamed Joerger, now Fizdale? At what point do we blame the common denominator? The group that has never won the division, has never developed a good offense in 7 years, and is aging?The beloved 'core 4'.
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Core four gonna be around another decade with how much love they get.
Shoulda blew it up after Reggie jackson went god mode in the playoffs...that was the chance.
Shoulda blew it up after Reggie jackson went god mode in the playoffs...that was the chance.
holidayinn21
:SmugMoneyMike:
I would contend that we should've made changes after that fluke ass WCF run. 87 points on 38% shooting
I hate the clingy culture that Grit n Grind has developed. If you're not part of the Core, you're trash. And Wallace enables this by keeping them because he's more concerned with being everybody's friend than being an actual GM.
It's not about love... it's about how the roster is constructed. Chandler Parsons didn't pan out. He was supposed to be the guy to step in so that we can get away from slow grind house ball. He has been a failure on the court and to the team's flexibility and depth.
Zbo is the leader of this team attitude and identity wise and Fizz would rather start Brandan Wright than let Zbo start and the same ol crew be the answer. Put the 3rd best scoring option on the floor at least for the 3rd most amount of minutes... it's not rocket science. These other guys are supposed to be so better defensively but they aren't defending any better than Zbo.
Mike playing off the ball and Gasol playing at the 3 point line while you depend on Toney Douglas and Harrison to generate flow is just stupid. Mike can get points but everybody else suffers and we struggle to get offensive boards with our biggest player closer to half court than the basket.
Until Parsons can run 30 minutes the team gonna have to revert back to what has worked the last half decade.
Zbo is the leader of this team attitude and identity wise and Fizz would rather start Brandan Wright than let Zbo start and the same ol crew be the answer. Put the 3rd best scoring option on the floor at least for the 3rd most amount of minutes... it's not rocket science. These other guys are supposed to be so better defensively but they aren't defending any better than Zbo.
Mike playing off the ball and Gasol playing at the 3 point line while you depend on Toney Douglas and Harrison to generate flow is just stupid. Mike can get points but everybody else suffers and we struggle to get offensive boards with our biggest player closer to half court than the basket.
Until Parsons can run 30 minutes the team gonna have to revert back to what has worked the last half decade.
I have a hard time seeing things get much lower than this....but man this is pretty low. We actually lost to the worst team in the NBA at home
Conley playing at shooting guard is not translating into winning basketball, he's been killing it lately but the Grizz are still losing to squads that have no business competing against them. Mike's emergance has also coincided with Gasol reverting back to being passive....Marc needs to cut that shyt out, it's been proven that the team is at its best when Gasol's aggressive and the offense runs through him.
Fizdale has no idea what to do with this roster, tonight's lineup change reeked of just throwing things on the wall and hoping they'd stick. Harrison all the sudden starting after being out of the rotation? Benching your best defensive big man not for Z-Bo...but Brandon Wright? Playing Douglas and Harrison a combined 40+ minutes? What happened to Ennis? He was our best wing player early in the season and now he can't get playing time? C'mon man
Can't even blame Parsons for this loss, he played "well" for the first time in a while and didn't play at all in the fourth when the Nets went on their run
Conley playing at shooting guard is not translating into winning basketball, he's been killing it lately but the Grizz are still losing to squads that have no business competing against them. Mike's emergance has also coincided with Gasol reverting back to being passive....Marc needs to cut that shyt out, it's been proven that the team is at its best when Gasol's aggressive and the offense runs through him.
Fizdale has no idea what to do with this roster, tonight's lineup change reeked of just throwing things on the wall and hoping they'd stick. Harrison all the sudden starting after being out of the rotation? Benching your best defensive big man not for Z-Bo...but Brandon Wright? Playing Douglas and Harrison a combined 40+ minutes? What happened to Ennis? He was our best wing player early in the season and now he can't get playing time? C'mon man
Can't even blame Parsons for this loss, he played "well" for the first time in a while and didn't play at all in the fourth when the Nets went on their run
Years and years and years of poor drafting is catching up 2 the grizz. Mid season and now late season is where u like 2 have young talent step in be hungry and thirsty for mins n ball out, go hard. Instead we got tiny Douglas and glass man Wright on our bench.
Barry Sanders
Barry>>>
Can't put the loss on Fizdale. Team got punched in they mouth and laid down. They was up 12 in the 3rd and blew it. That 4th quarter was cringe worthy. Especially when Marc shot that 3 pointer and air balled. And Marc back playing soft and Tony and Z-Bo back in their feelings. Mike the only one who showed up.
Im all for a youth movement for this team.
Im all for a youth movement for this team.
holidayinn21
:SmugMoneyMike:
Why is the only solution to EVERY Grizz problem "Play the Core", or "play TA and Zach more"?
That Warriors game was a fluke. These nikkas is washed. They were a below .500 team the last two months 2 years. Last year, they lost to basically every good team they played. Getting 50 pieced by Golden State
See, this is the shyt I'm talking about. The Organization, the fans, to "the core", have gotten way too comfortable. There's a pecking order that everyone has to follow, even the coach. Play a certain style, with certain players, and the main four guys gets the most minutes. That shyt is wack. Why would any coach wanna deal with that?
Why is our so-called leader Zach bytching for more minutes while the team was winning, and just 2 games out of the 4th spot? He and Tony are both malcontents when things don't their way. The GM gets very little criticism because he kept the same team intact.
Kerr puts Iggy AND David lee to the bench. No complaints from them. Iggy becomes finals MVP.
Spurs give the Keys to Kawhi and basically tell him "Do your thing young fella"
. He maybe the MVP of the League.New guy wants to try to something new with the Grizzlies, who've never won a division title, and maybe actually evolve the team. "Nah we good. Let's play the same way we've played since 2011 because we're afraid of change, while we get lapped up by another WC team."
Why is the only solution to EVERY Grizz problem "Play the Core", or "play TA and Zach more"?
That Warriors game was a fluke. These nikkas is washed. They were a below .500 team the last two months 2 years. Last year, they lost to basically every good team they played. Getting 50 pieced by Golden State
See, this is the shyt I'm talking about. The Organization, the fans, to "the core", have gotten way too comfortable. There's a pecking order that everyone has to follow, even the coach. Play a certain style, with certain players, and the main four guys gets the most minutes. That shyt is wack. Why would any coach wanna deal with that?
Why is our so-called leader Zach bytching for more minutes while the team was winning, and just 2 games out of the 4th spot? He and Tony are both malcontents when things don't their way. The GM gets very little criticism because he kept the same team intact.
Kerr puts Iggy AND David lee to the bench. No complaints from them. Iggy becomes finals MVP.
Spurs give the Keys to Kawhi and basically tell him "Do your thing young fella"
New guy wants to try to something new with the Grizzlies, who've never won a division title, and maybe actually evolve the team. "Nah we good. Let's play the same way we've played since 2011 because we're afraid of change, while we get lapped up by another WC team."
U ok Mayne, David Lee ain't even on GS cous he didn't wanna resign due to reduce role.
Iggy bytched n moaned even thru playoffs about being benched.
Grizz beat gs twice this yr not once, so not a fluke. The grit and grind style is a bad matchup for GS. When we face a team like hous or raps it's a bad matchup for us.
Ppl want grit and grind back cous that's the only style that grizz have won wit in past. They don't have the prices to play ne other style. And we cnt go youth movement cous we have no 1st rnd picks this yr even.
It's a hard sell to move Parsons contract or Conley jus based on the size, so grizz r stuck havin 2 go after other teams left over vets to build from. Chalmers getting hurt last yr really hurt cous it showed how good grizz can be with another capable ball handler on floor. Sorry Toney Douglas u don't count as capable.
holidayinn21
:SmugMoneyMike:
Lee nor Iggy bytched about playing time. I'm not sure what you're talking about.
And lee was traded because he was one of the highest paid on the team, and they already had Speights and Ezeli.
I'm talking about the comeback. That was a fluke. The first game showed what Fizz wants his team to be:Big, athletic, and defensive oriented. nikkas acting like he was trying to create Warriors South. He's actually trying to build a team defensively that can knock them off.
You wanna know who's a bad matchup for GS?Cleveland, San Antonio, even Houston. Teams with actual stars. Teams that don't have liabilities at SG. Teams that aren't easy to gameplan against. Ya talking about bad matchups like we aren't the Atlanta Hawks of the West, the biggest treadmill team in the league.
Starting two aging players isn't going to solve anything. It's not solving Fizz's rotations. Or Parsons. Or the the PG situation. Or Zach's defense. Or Tony's offense. This is purely for sentimental reasons.
Why is the only solution to EVERY Grizz problem "Play the Core", or "play TA and Zach more"?
That Warriors game was a fluke. These nikkas is washed. They were a below .500 team the last two months 2 years. Last year, they lost to basically every good team they played. Getting 50 pieced by Golden State
See, this is the shyt I'm talking about. The Organization, the fans, to "the core", have gotten way too comfortable. There's a pecking order that everyone has to follow, even the coach. Play a certain style, with certain players, and the main four guys gets the most minutes. That shyt is wack. Why would any coach wanna deal with that?
Why is our so-called leader Zach bytching for more minutes while the team was winning, and just 2 games out of the 4th spot? He and Tony are both malcontents when things don't their way. The GM gets very little criticism because he kept the same team intact.
Kerr puts Iggy AND David lee to the bench. No complaints from them. Iggy becomes finals MVP.
Spurs give the Keys to Kawhi and basically tell him "Do your thing young fella"
New guy wants to try to something new with the Grizzlies, who've never won a division title, and maybe actually evolve the team. "Nah we good. Let's play the same way we've played since 2011 because we're afraid of change, while we get lapped up by another WC team."
I never said Wallace isn't the blame... as a matter of fact I wanted to trade Gasol and sign and trade Conley. I even said at the trade deadline they should move all the guys with expiring contracts if you weren't gonna start em... I been ready for something different for a couple of seasons. That doesn't change the fact that the best lineup that this roster can put out includes Zbo. There's no reason why Wallace keeps leveraging pieces for the future for pieces we don't need. And the inability to find a scoring wing player after giving away Rudy Gay is inexcusable.
The "new guy" has lost his team because he took a group of guys that already had deep playoff experience and said this doesn't work... although I've never been a head coach I'm smarter than all the other coaches that you have had. The fact that he is the coach that Wallace chose should be all the proof you need that he isn't the right coach.
Big slow white guy... go stand out by the 3pt line where you can't be effective in the paint to grab rebounds or take advantage of being the biggest guy on the floor.
Guy with the headband... you are coming off the bench because we dont have anybody else that can score off the bench and you can't jump or stop pick and rolls (that still aren't getting stopped)
Guy who just signed big contract... you getting paid the most so you should get the points. Even tho you were marketed as the conductor.
Other guy who just signed big contract... I'm scared to be the reason you get hurt again. I'm never gonna play you in a way that makes sense or allows you to get in a flow or chemistry with teammates. You might as well go shower after the 3rd quarter breh.
Rookies... y'all going to the d league cause we can't afford for y'all to make a mistake.
Zbo and Tony should be upset this is probably the last year before they actually run that fade with Father Time and they are being pushed to the side for guys that aren't making the plays. This team doesn't have a K. Leonard to hand the keys over to. Wallace is to blame but the roster is what it is breh.
Green didn't EARN Zbo's spot... and everybody on the team knows it which is why he didn't start he been playing bland basketball. Harrison who should be in the dleauge next to Baldwin didn't earn TA's spot either.
Fizzledale waits till the end of the year to start changing and "shaking things up" with the lineup but for some reason starting Zbo isn't an option but rolling Brandan Wright fresh off missing games is the best option even tho Zbo and TA has been apart of all these playoff teams.
He gotta fall back and let the guys that know know how to play together ride it out till he gets his own guys that can play his style.