We gotta have a discussion on Liberia bruh

[videogamestashbox.com]

The stratification of Tutsi v Hutu in Rwanda is largely a function of German/Belgian colonial rule and not British.

From your post, am I correct in thinking that what you're trying to do is say that Liberia is a poor example of Af-Ams coming back to Africa because Americo-Liberians basically subjugated the Kru, Gola, Mandingo etc?

Correct: -
Incorrect - The reason I give that it is a poor example is listed below 1 & 2

1. Those African Americans(Americo-liberians) wanted to have their own country & make their own laws politically separate from other African political entities. These African Americans today who go to places like Ghana are trying to absorb themselves into currently existing countries by becoming citizens / intermarrying.

2. Those African Americans(Americo-liberians) were under pressure from foreign political & economic entanglements.(Rubber trees, diamond deposits, military staging points, ideological alignments, etc, etc.) These African Americans today who are going to a places like Ghana to open a small bed & breakfast have no such pressures because they are assumed by the host country.

Conclusion:
For a country/people to use Liberia as a cautionary tale isn't a bad idea at all...in the right context. But as a blanket cautionary tale about African Americans moving to an African nation it doesn't hold up especially in the face of shashemene who fit the criteria of African Americans(Diasporans) who moved back in negotiation with the locals, had little to no foreign entanglements and lived fine ...even through the Derg regime(though a lot of them left at that time).

 

[videogamestashbox.com]

I don't understand what you don't understand.

Is the above a correct or wrong assessment of your issues / questions? If so I'll begin my critique. If not we'll go through this again until I'm clear on what your saying and I'm critiquing.

I.E. Are the 6 points laid out in that previous post representative of your position?

 

[Samori Toure]

I.E. Are the 6 points laid out in that previous post representative of your position?

State your positions.

 

[videogamestashbox.com]

State your positions.

Your Position:
(as I currently understand it)

Colonization
1. Liberia was never colonized and remained free of the U.S. federal government and European nations
2. Liberia was aligned with U.S. interests and as a client state the European nations left it largely alone other than adjacent land sized by Britain & France

Timeline
1. How could the U.S. federal Gov secure land via the B.C. then the A.C.S go buy land from the local Africans, when the land was bought before the B.C. ever occurred?

Berlin conference
1. Liberia declared it's independence in 1847 from the American Colonization Society
2.The Berlin conference occurred in 1884-85
3. (How could / why would) the the U.S. attend the berlin conference when the U.S. federal government never had an African colony?

I.E. Are the 6 points laid out in that previous post representative of your position?

 

[Samori Toure]

@videogamestashbox.com just so I am clear about it; what is B.C. in the time? Are you thinking about the British in Sierra Leone?

 

[videogamestashbox.com]

@videogamestashbox.com just so I am clear about it; what is B.C. in the time? Are you thinking about the British in Sierra Leone?

B.C. = Berlin conference

NOTE: to be clear I'm not asking for historical data on the topic(I can look that up myself), nor am I asking for an interpretation of any particular set of historical data.
I'm looking for clarity on your interpretation of my original post. There were things you didn't agree with. I'm looking for clarity on your position concerning those things.
Hence the 6 points.

 

[Crayola Coyote]

Liberia is ultimately a convenient excuse when it's all said and done.

Most of those folks won't even visit any parts of Africa, let alone move there for an extended period of time or in some permanent capacity. Their "fear" is deeper than Liberia's situation.

My fear is that the country will get into another "civil war". I'm going there next year.

 

[videogamestashbox.com]

My fear is that the country will get into another "civil war". I'm going there next year.

By "the country" are you referring to Liberia or (insert any ol African nation here)

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Correct: -
Incorrect - The reason I give that it is a poor example is listed below 1 & 2

1. Those African Americans(Americo-liberians) wanted to have their own country & make their own laws politically separate from other African political entities. These African Americans today who go to places like Ghana are trying to absorb themselves into currently existing countries by becoming citizens / intermarrying.

2. Those African Americans(Americo-liberians) were under pressure from foreign political & economic entanglements.(Rubber trees, diamond deposits, military staging points, ideological alignments, etc, etc.) These African Americans today who are going to a places like Ghana to open a small bed & breakfast have no such pressures because they are assumed by the host country.

Conclusion:
For a country/people to use Liberia as a cautionary tale isn't a bad idea at all...in the right context. But as a blanket cautionary tale about African Americans moving to an African nation it doesn't hold up especially in the face of shashemene who fit the criteria of African Americans(Diasporans) who moved back in negotiation with the locals, had little to no foreign entanglements and lived fine ...even through the Derg regime(though a lot of them left at that time).

Oh, okay. Totally understand now.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Subs, my initial thoughts without having read everything are that it may be more complex than commonly understood but I do not think Americo-Liberians should be completely absolved of their offenses. We need honesty and a willingness to admit fault and wrongdoing in order to heal.

 

[DrBanneker]

Just realized i had a ton of typos lol.

But yeah back in the 60s Liberia had the same GDP as Japan.

Dropping good knowledge but I think you mean Liberia/Ghana had the same GDP as S. Korea in the 60s. I wish they were at Japan level but unfortunately not even close.

 

[Premeditated]

swear to god, I did not know the depth off all this.

Most Liberians don't even know the depth of all this either.

I stay ignoring Liberian history. I'll finish reading this thread tomorrow/

 

[badtguy]

Liberians used to be arrogant like who ghanians and nigerians are now because back in the day Liberia was the place to change. Ever since the nation fell from its place as one of the premier nations now the other nations that have come up talk junk.

Boy stop it, nigeria region had great cities pre - nigeria

Just realized i had a ton of typos lol.

But yeah back in the 60s Liberia had the same GDP as Japan. Back when Nigeria and Ghana were a mess Liberia literally looked like America. Liberia sees Blacks in the west as their family which is why the "Aa vs African" narrative on this site irks me because people are literally using Nigerian and ghanians as the representatives for all of west Africa.

Look at Robert Johnson the former BET owner dude is straight like blacks need to make Liberia their Israel. There are even articles about how its insulting that blacks rather go to Ghana than Liberia to visit when Liberia is argubly the easiest place for blacks of the west to digest the culture.

What the hell are you talking about nigeria only been a country since 1960's.

Liberians are weak period. The whole AA vs African irks you because you are weak.

Plenty of rebel slaves, freed slaves, indentured workers from America the Carribean, South America went to the Nigerian region to settle all throughout history the only difference is Nigerians didn't allow any fukk shyt.

Those who moved to lagos became yoruba, those who moved to Port Harcourt became igbo/ikwerre.

those who moved to the north became hausa

They moved they married they re-introduced themselves back into african lifestyle or society.

Lagos since the 1800's was a great city built by ex slaves they didn't need any American backing like Liberia. Commerce between Lagos, Cuba, Brazil, the Carribean were controlled by former slaves.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Boy stop it, nigeria region had great cities pre - nigeria


What the hell are you talking about nigeria only been a country since 1960's.

Liberians are weak period. The whole AA vs African irks you because you are weak.

Plenty of rebel slaves, freed slaves, indentured workers from America the Carribean, South America went to the Nigerian region to settle all throughout history the only difference is Nigerians didn't allow any fukk shyt.

Those who moved to lagos became yoruba, those who moved to Port Harcourt became igbo/ikwerre.

those who moved to the north became hausa

They moved they married they re-introduced themselves back into african lifestyle or society.

Lagos since the 1800's was a great city built by ex slaves they didn't need any American backing like Liberia. Commerce between Lagos, Cuba, Brazil, the Carribean were controlled by former slaves.

 

[badtguy]

Ghanaians need to chill with that ish frfr

CashmereEsquire is a fukk nikka that doesn't like nigerians he is weak.

If nigerians are arrogant, say fukk it. They have right to be. People from that region even pre nigeria have always been accomplished.

Even the Wilmot Blyden that fukk nikka CashmereEsquire included was of igbo heritage. Along with two other Liberian presidents who were of igbo and yoruba descent.