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Ever coup/war in Liberia was more so American politics at hand. They players were merely puppets.

Do you think there will ever be a time where American politics will not overrun Liberian politics (in the near future)? Will the US just continue to manipulate and create more wars from afar?
 

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Do you think there will ever be a time where American politics will not overrun Liberian politics (in the near future)? Will the US just continue to manipulate and create more wars from afar?

China has stepped in doing what America and Germany used to do in Liberia when it comes to political influence from an economic standpoint. I`m actually going to Liberia in a few weeks so I`ll report back the vibe I get from a first hand perspective but Liberia isn't a blatant proxy for America like it was, but Liberia tends to still side with America/Israel politically still.
 

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Also like I've said before, I think George Weah winning could end up a "Trump" like situation as he was seen as the Anti Politician who appealed to the "common man". He is already rich so there is thought that he "Can't be bought", etc. That said I'm interested to see what he does as he has done good philanthropy work. If he is smart he will surround himself with smart people who know policy.
 

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This is an excellent thread. I've also heard of the "former slaves enslaved the natives and that's what created the Liberian Civil War" myth. Thankfully, this thread disspelled that. I learned quite a bit. I'm glad I joined here.

I will add this. I state this in every thread on Liberia and Sierra Leone. The American Black people that returned to Liberia and Sierra Leone were almost certainly heavily descended from people that were originally from the areas around Liberia, Sierra Leone, Senegal, Gambia, Ivory Coast and Guinea.

We know this is true, because the English and American slavers focused very heavily, not exclusively though, on taking slaves from the grain/rice coast between 1670 through roughly 1800. Those slaves were taken to work on rice plantations in the USA States of South Carolina, North Carolina and Georgia.

So the people that returned to Liberia and Sierra Leone had a genetic connection to that area, because they were only roughly 2 to 4 or so generations removed.

Bunce Island History | The Gilder Lehrman Center for the Study of Slavery, Resistance, and Abolition

 

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I will add this. I state this in every thread on Liberia and Sierra Leone. The American Black people that returned to Liberia and Sierra Leone were almost certainly heavily descended from people that were originally from the areas around Liberia, Sierra Leone, Senegal, Gambia, Ivory Coast and Guinea.

We know this is true, because the English and American slavers focused very heavily, not exclusively though, on taking slaves from the grain/rice coast between 1670 through roughly 1800. Those slaves were taken to work on rice plantations in the USA States of South Carolina, North Carolina and Georgia.

So the people that returned to Liberia and Sierra Leone had a genetic connection to that area, because they were only roughly 2 to 4 or so generations removed.

Bunce Island History | The Gilder Lehrman Center for the Study of Slavery, Resistance, and Abolition



Thing is most of them came back with a different mentality.

One thing I never seen anyone talk about on here were the Black Hebrew Israelites from Chicago who went to Liberia and were allowed to set up a small settlement.

My mom actually went to school with a girl who ended up marrying a guy from that movement.
 

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whats that like +/-1930's :patrice:
depends could be early 1900s or late 1800s. When they tried to calculate his age they say he was in his 120s or so due to the historical events he could recall. Never asked when he died though.

Also being muslim Polygamy was a thing so dudes were old as hell still having children. I saw he had a Islamic School in Liberia and he had the "El Hajj"/"Alhaj" title.
 

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On a side note, after the last civil war, Liberia's army was rebuilt by a private military contractor, DynCorp.The white paper on what they did is here: https://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pdffiles/PUB1181.pdf
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Whites can't own land in liberia?:patrice:




I think Firestone might have something to say about that:francis:

:jbhmm:...though on second thought I know a lot of land tenure in African counties is closer to the western notion of leasing agreements than "ownership". For instance in Ghana even if someone gives you one of those "chief" titles, I don't think you can be a "real chief" unless you actually preside over land(I.E. have a "stool"). Otherwise you can be kicked off the land at will. They actually have a chiefs counsel to make sure people aren't falsely claiming a title(among other things).

If it's one of those "leasing deals" then I see what he's saying.:hubie:
(other stuff is obvious tho ...if cacs can't be citizens then of course they can't do those other things pertaining to citizens)




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I think he's missing that those southern African countries were settler colonies where they tried to pull off an "Americas in Africa" settlement program like they did on the native Americans. So now they're left with residual populations of cacs from the settlement attempt.
 
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Nope. @LordCashmere can probably elaborate more.

Yeah when firestone and them came to Liberia those places were owned by the Liberian government. Foreign investors would simply recieve profits from their investment thats all. So when Firestone stopped investing it exposed that Liberia pretty much was being kept afloat because it was a puppet for outsiders versus actually being self sufficient.

The Lebonese call the Liberian consitution “racist” because only people with a Black father can become liberian citizens so them getting liberian women pregnant still wouldnt make the child a citizen.

I hope they keep it this way too.
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Yeah when firestone and them came to Liberia those places were owned by the Liberian government. Foreign investors would simply recieve profits from their investment thats all. So when Firestone stopped investing it exposed that Liberia pretty much was being kept afloat because it was a puppet for outsiders versus actually being self sufficient.

The Lebonese call the Liberian consitution “racist” because only people with a Black father can become liberian citizens so them getting liberian women pregnant still wouldnt make the child a citizen.

I hope they keep it this way too.
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for how long tho

Weah to scrap 'racist' citizenship law





the black man is a fukking idiot :snoop:
 
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